<div dir="ltr">One possibility would be that when pressure was transferred to the rear calipers, the flex hose back there (IF one exists) COULD be partially blocking the return of brake fluid by virtue of delaminating its inner layer of rubber. The caliper pistons could also be a little stuck.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">Charles Kellogg<div>Director of Restorations<br><div>Dare Britannia, Ltd.</div><div>Olympia, WA 98512, USA</div><div><a href="http://www.darebritannia.com/" target="_blank">http://www.darebritannia.com/</a></div><div><br></div><div>Voice 360-866-2254</div><div>Fax 360-866-6970</div></div><div>Cell 360-789-5070</div><div><br></div><div><img src="http://darebritanniarestorations.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/dare-britannia-logo.jpg?w=625" alt="New Logo" width="420" height="235"><br></div>
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1. Diagnostic Help Redux (LANCE LA CERTE PSY D)<br>
2. Re: Diagnostic Help Redux (Michael Pellow)<br>
3. Re: Diagnostic help please (Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton)<br>
4. Stuff for Rovernet (Andrew Holland)<br>
5. Re: Stuff for Rovernet (Andrew Holland)<br>
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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 15:32:43 -0700<br>
From: LANCE LA CERTE PSY D <<a href="mailto:lacpsyd6@msn.com">lacpsyd6@msn.com</a>><br>
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First I want to let everyone know how much I appreciate the input and support----what a great group you all are!!!!<br>
Wanted to clarify something about the calipers. I am 'assuming' the right rear disc was hot and appropriately so because I had just come back from a test drive to try to figure out the clunking. I immediately put the car up on the lift and started 'feeling' around. I would expect the disc to be hot and was surprised the the left disc was completely cold, leading me to believe the caliper was not working on that side.<br>
With the car on the lift, I put the rear end up on jack stands (right after the test drive), the entire drive train moved freely----no indication that the right caliper was still gripping the disc and therefore creating any drag while I was driving.<br>
If I'm totally wrong or missing something in this explanation, please, anyone, let me know.<br>
Thanks again, Lance<br>
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 12:22:04 +1300<br>
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On 12/02/2015 11:32 a.m., LANCE LA CERTE PSY D via Rovernet wrote:<br>
> First I want to let everyone know how much I appreciate the input and support----what a great group you all are!!!!<br>
> Wanted to clarify something about the calipers. I am 'assuming' the right rear disc was hot and appropriately so because I had just come back from a test drive to try to figure out the clunking. I immediately put the car up on the lift and started 'feeling' around. I would expect the disc to be hot and was surprised the the left disc was completely cold, leading me to believe the caliper was not working on that side.<br>
> With the car on the lift, I put the rear end up on jack stands (right after the test drive), the entire drive train moved freely----no indication that the right caliper was still gripping the disc and therefore creating any drag while I was driving.<br>
> If I'm totally wrong or missing something in this explanation, please, anyone, let me know.<br>
> Thanks again, Lance<br>
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as the wheels are free my first suggestion of a blocked brake hose<br>
wouldnt apply.<br>
The front bolt on the torque tube is a very good place to start for the<br>
thumping ,also check the mount itself as it can break down.<br>
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the left calliper does sound like the adjuster mechanism.<br>
it has either frozen or more likely when the callipers were put back,the<br>
pin has dropped into the actuation leaver's grove. this can happen when<br>
you are putting the calliper back in the car.when putting put the big<br>
hex nut on the end of the calliper pivot pin usually the end stop screw<br>
is removed and the handbrake actuation leaver is rotated the allow a<br>
socket to tighten it up.Unfortunately if the actuation leaver comes out<br>
more that a half inch ,the internal pin that operates the brake<br>
mechanism drops sideways into the grove on the leavers shaft and there<br>
is no other way to fix it but pull the calliper appart.<br>
I know mutter mutter<br>
to confirm this has happened see how far the leaver rotates when the<br>
hand brake has been applied compared to the RH side<br>
I hope this makes sense<br>
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 14:09:38 +1300<br>
From: Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton <<a href="mailto:smokeandsteam@gmail.com">smokeandsteam@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: LANCE LA CERTE PSY D <<a href="mailto:lacpsyd6@msn.com">lacpsyd6@msn.com</a>>, Rovernet<br>
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Lance<br>
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Before you start ripping the final drive out of the car, have you<br>
checked that the de Dion tube is sliding freely ? Odd thumps and bumps<br>
from a P6 back end can often be traced back to a sticky sliding joint.<br>
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Oh, and do check that the bushings for the Panhard rods are in good<br>
shape while you are at it.<br>
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It may well be something else but since these are perhaps easier to<br>
get to, I would be inclined to start the process of elimination with<br>
the bits that are easiest to get at<br>
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Aidrian<br>
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Beer has no effect on concrete, but unless the concrete is specially<br>
treated the taste of the beer could be affected. (Military Engineering<br>
Vol XIV, Concrete, WO Code No 8626, 1952).<br>
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Army elastic bands in a temperate climate have a shelf life of 1 year<br>
but in a tropical climate it is only 12 months. (Manual of Army<br>
Ordnance Services Volume 1 Pamphlet No 2 Part 5 Appendix K, Army Code<br>
No. 60065-1, 1977).<br>
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 02:26:40 +0000<br>
From: Andrew Holland <<a href="mailto:Andrew_Holland@amp.com.au">Andrew_Holland@amp.com.au</a>><br>
To: "Rovernet (<a href="mailto:rovernet@rovernet.org">rovernet@rovernet.org</a>)" <<a href="mailto:rovernet@rovernet.org">rovernet@rovernet.org</a>><br>
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 02:28:44 +0000<br>
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I have a P4 100 wreck! Free to be picked up.<br>
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Body is rusty & dented, but there are plenty of good parts Needs to be picked up ASAP, as I am moving.<br>
<br>
My contacts are 0450237535 or <a href="mailto:cavaliercoachlines@gmail.com">cavaliercoachlines@gmail.com</a>.<br>
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Thanks for your time Bradley Foster.<br>
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 18:49:50 +1100<br>
From: "Roger Matheson" <<a href="mailto:roger.matheson@bigpond.com">roger.matheson@bigpond.com</a>><br>
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Yes, I agree with Michael that checking the front mountings of the diff is<br>
step 1. My experience with worn diffs is also whine not thump. If the left<br>
calliper is not engaging then checking the universals may be difficult that<br>
side because the handbrake wont hold the disk still and rocking the tyre<br>
backwards and forwards to test for free play may be misleading . So you<br>
might have to jam the tyre and put a screwdriver through the inboard<br>
universal to detect any free play. In my experience there is very little<br>
that can be done with the calliper in place. However get someone to operate<br>
the handbrake and watch its operation to make sure that the operating levers<br>
go through their full motion. With the handbrake on you should not be able<br>
to turn the tyre by hand. If you can then the self adjusting mechanism is<br>
faulty. Try taking the operating lever off the left calliper and use a<br>
spanner to turn the lever through its full movement. Watch the pad inboard<br>
pad as it closes on the disk, it should push out but not quite return by the<br>
same amount. The clicking noise will at least tell you that the mechanism is<br>
in place even if not working properly. There is a small window of<br>
opportunity for you that is caused by dirt and hardened grease stopping the<br>
piston from progressing properly. If you dare: Take the half shaft, pads and<br>
disk off. This will allow you to rock the calliper on its hinge pin and<br>
remove the cover. Also to inspect the piston cup assembly. (email me if you<br>
want the exploded diagram) It may be partially seized in the body of the<br>
calliper by sticking to its "O" ring seal or stuck on the threads of the<br>
push rod. You MAY be able to unscrew it right out, clean, re grease, replace<br>
the "O" ring and screw back in provided you can stop the push rod from<br>
turning (by jamming it inside the mechanism accessed with the cover off.<br>
When you screw it back in you will need to align its lip so that the inboard<br>
pad will engage and seat correctly. If you are very lucky this will enable<br>
the self adjuster to work correctly. If unlucky you are well on your way to<br>
removing the calliper. On another matter, do you think the right calliper is<br>
faulty because the brake is dragging and hence getting hot. Its no wonder P6<br>
owners find that non expert servicing often neglects (ignores, pretends they<br>
don't exist) the rear callipers.<br>
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Good luck Cheers Roger (<a href="mailto:roger.matheson@bigpond.com">roger.matheson@bigpond.com</a>)<br>
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