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Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 06:16:19 -0400<br>
From: Hank & Sally Manwell <<a href="mailto:hdmanwell@alumni.bates.edu">hdmanwell@alumni.bates.edu</a>><br>
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Subject: [Rovernet] seized clutch<br>
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Our ?71 Series II TC was trailered here to Rove America yesterday on a trailer because after two years of storage the clutch has seized.<br>
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Dirk has towed it aggressively with clutch pedal depressed and in gear and we have run it up and down the hill the same way, but to no avail.<br>
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It?s in the shop just now while we contemplate whether there are any shortcuts to lowering the engine enough to pull the transmission and clutch to get to the heart of the problem.<br>
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Any thoughts?<br>
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Hank Manwell<br>
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Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 06:33:23 -0400<br>
From: Steven Dibdin <<a href="mailto:sdibdin@gmail.com">sdibdin@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [Rovernet] seized clutch<br>
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You can remove the starter motor and bell housing bolts, rad fan and brake fluid reservoir. Loosen the engine mount bolts lower gearbox. Rotate gearbox so starter motor bump on bell housing is facing up and the gearbox will drop out. More of a fiddle but less to remove than a while engine/trans assembly.<br>
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Best,<br>
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> On Jun 2, 2016, at 06:16, Hank & Sally Manwell via Rovernet <<a href="mailto:rovernet@rovernet.org">rovernet@rovernet.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Our ?71 Series II TC was trailered here to Rove America yesterday on a trailer because after two years of storage the clutch has seized.<br>
><br>
> Dirk has towed it aggressively with clutch pedal depressed and in gear and we have run it up and down the hill the same way, but to no avail.<br>
><br>
> It?s in the shop just now while we contemplate whether there are any shortcuts to lowering the engine enough to pull the transmission and clutch to get to the heart of the problem.<br>
><br>
> Any thoughts?<br>
><br>
> Hank Manwell<br>
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Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 06:33:41 -0400<br>
From: Ben Saunders <<a href="mailto:bsaunders@firstva.com">bsaunders@firstva.com</a>><br>
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If your car has the timing port you might be able to use an ice pick or<br>
similar object to drift between the disk and flywheel with the clutch<br>
pedal held down.<br>
Ben<br>
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On 06/02/2016 06:16 AM, Hank & Sally Manwell via Rovernet wrote:<br>
> Our ?71 Series II TC was trailered here to Rove America yesterday on a trailer because after two years of storage the clutch has seized.<br>
><br>
> Dirk has towed it aggressively with clutch pedal depressed and in gear and we have run it up and down the hill the same way, but to no avail.<br>
><br>
> It?s in the shop just now while we contemplate whether there are any shortcuts to lowering the engine enough to pull the transmission and clutch to get to the heart of the problem.<br>
><br>
> Any thoughts?<br>
><br>
> Hank Manwell<br>
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Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 11:28:52 +0000 (UTC)<br>
From: Alan Francis <<a href="mailto:lingfield51@btinternet.com">lingfield51@btinternet.com</a>><br>
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Hi Hank<br>
I have had success in the past through the timing flap on the bell housing. On RHD cars the washer bottle and bracket has to be removed but you may have the benefit of not having the steering box in the way on a LHD car.?<br>
From memory I think I had no bonnett (hood) on the car at the time so not sure if you'll be able to do it with the bonnett in situ.?<br>
Using a long (at least a metre) steel rod with a thin tapered end it is just possible to tap it between clutch plate & flywheel while an assistant depressess the clutch pedal thus taking and stress of it. Rotate the engine by hand and three or four points around the circumference of the plate should be enough to free it. No real force needed, like you I struggled in the 'usual' manner but it popped of quite easily as of course you're only freeing a small section at any one time rather than all of it at once and the forces are working to lever it off rather than spin it off.. Theres enough flexability in the plate to cope with the small deflection<br>
Good Luck<br>
Alan Francis (partviking)<br>
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On Thursday, June 2, 2016 11:34 AM, Ben Saunders via Rovernet <<a href="mailto:rovernet@rovernet.org">rovernet@rovernet.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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If your car has the timing port you might be able to use an ice pick or<br>
similar object to drift between the disk and flywheel with the clutch<br>
pedal held down.<br>
Ben<br>
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On 06/02/2016 06:16 AM, Hank & Sally Manwell via Rovernet wrote:<br>
> Our ?71 Series II TC was trailered here to Rove America yesterday on a trailer because after two years of storage the clutch has seized.<br>
><br>
> Dirk has towed it aggressively with clutch pedal depressed and in gear and we have run it up and down the hill the same way, but to no avail.<br>
><br>
> It?s in the shop just now while we contemplate whether there are any shortcuts to lowering the engine enough to pull the transmission and clutch to get to the heart of the problem.<br>
><br>
> Any thoughts?<br>
><br>
> Hank Manwell<br>
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Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 08:50:03 -0400<br>
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It has been a maintenance rich spring for a lot of people's Rovers! Hank,<br>
I am sorry that you have had your clutch problem! I spoke to Andre Shay<br>
yesterday. In his P6B 3500S V8, the oil pump/distributor drive developed a<br>
problem while he was trying to turn the oil pump's drive shaft, in order to<br>
prime the engine before restarting it. I will travel to Connecticut to<br>
pick him up, stay at his house tonight and arrive at the Rover gathering on<br>
Friday. I just finished removing and reinstalling the heater box back in<br>
my own car, in order to address a foot well leak, under the heater, when it<br>
rains. After removal, I also found myself searching out numerous vacuum<br>
leaks! Disassembling the heater box, of my formerly AC car, revealed the<br>
problems and a maze of vacuum hoses to sort out and fix split ends on where<br>
they plug into switches and the servos, which move the flaps inside the<br>
heater. Everyone loves a challenge right?! See you soon! Garrett Bourque<br>
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On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 6:16 AM, Hank & Sally Manwell via Rovernet <<br>
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> Our ?71 Series II TC was trailered here to Rove America yesterday on a<br>
> trailer because after two years of storage the clutch has seized.<br>
><br>
> Dirk has towed it aggressively with clutch pedal depressed and in gear and<br>
> we have run it up and down the hill the same way, but to no avail.<br>
><br>
> It?s in the shop just now while we contemplate whether there are any<br>
> shortcuts to lowering the engine enough to pull the transmission and clutch<br>
> to get to the heart of the problem.<br>
><br>
> Any thoughts?<br>
><br>
> Hank Manwell<br>
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Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 08:53:52 -0400<br>
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Here's another suggestion: Make sure you're in a space where you can do so<br>
safely, then crank (and start?) the car in first gear. If it runs and<br>
drives, accelerate and decelerate while depressing the clutch pedal. That's<br>
broken a stuck clutch lose in a couple of cars I've had this happen to over<br>
the years, but I should add that they were Opels, not Rovers. Again, don't<br>
try this unless you have a large empty space so it doesn't endanger<br>
anyone. And turn off the ignition and use whatever braking power you have<br>
left (or the hand brake) to stop the car if the clutch doesn't break lose,<br>
of course. Hope the battery and starter won't be the worse off for trying<br>
this alternative! Best of luck, Robert<br>
On Jun 2, 2016 7:33 AM, "Alan Francis via Rovernet" <<a href="mailto:rovernet@rovernet.org">rovernet@rovernet.org</a>><br>
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> Hi Hank<br>
> I have had success in the past through the timing flap on the bell<br>
> housing. On RHD cars the washer bottle and bracket has to be removed but<br>
> you may have the benefit of not having the steering box in the way on a LHD<br>
> car.<br>
> From memory I think I had no bonnett (hood) on the car at the time so not<br>
> sure if you'll be able to do it with the bonnett in situ.<br>
> Using a long (at least a metre) steel rod with a thin tapered end it is<br>
> just possible to tap it between clutch plate & flywheel while an assistant<br>
> depressess the clutch pedal thus taking and stress of it. Rotate the engine<br>
> by hand and three or four points around the circumference of the plate<br>
> should be enough to free it. No real force needed, like you I struggled in<br>
> the 'usual' manner but it popped of quite easily as of course you're only<br>
> freeing a small section at any one time rather than all of it at once and<br>
> the forces are working to lever it off rather than spin it off.. Theres<br>
> enough flexability in the plate to cope with the small deflection<br>
> Good Luck<br>
> Alan Francis (partviking)<br>
><br>
> On Thursday, June 2, 2016 11:34 AM, Ben Saunders via Rovernet <<br>
> <a href="mailto:rovernet@rovernet.org">rovernet@rovernet.org</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
><br>
> If your car has the timing port you might be able to use an ice pick or<br>
> similar object to drift between the disk and flywheel with the clutch<br>
> pedal held down.<br>
> Ben<br>
><br>
> On 06/02/2016 06:16 AM, Hank & Sally Manwell via Rovernet wrote:<br>
> > Our ?71 Series II TC was trailered here to Rove America yesterday on a<br>
> trailer because after two years of storage the clutch has seized.<br>
> ><br>
> > Dirk has towed it aggressively with clutch pedal depressed and in gear<br>
> and we have run it up and down the hill the same way, but to no avail.<br>
> ><br>
> > It?s in the shop just now while we contemplate whether there are any<br>
> shortcuts to lowering the engine enough to pull the transmission and clutch<br>
> to get to the heart of the problem.<br>
> ><br>
> > Any thoughts?<br>
> ><br>
> > Hank Manwell<br>
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