<div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">Agreed. I'd planned to be there for the first time since 2011, but that's a tough weekend and it's fallen apart. Very frustrating. Next year, hopefully.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, May 14, 2019, 11:15 AM Dermot Harvey via Rovernet <<a href="mailto:rovernet@rovernet.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rovernet@rovernet.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">What a shame Roveramerica is on Memorial Day weekend! Old cars don’t like traffic jams! <br>
Hope to see you folks next year though. Have a great weekend.<br>
<br>
Dermot Harvey<br>
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> On May 14, 2019, at 10:14 AM, Jim Pile via Rovernet <<a href="mailto:rovernet@rovernet.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">rovernet@rovernet.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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> John,I assume you're referring to RoveAmerica, which meets this year on Memorial Day weekend in Fitchburg, MA.You can go to the RoveAmerica website and get all the specific info.<br>
> Good work on getting your P4 back on the road. Feels good, doesn't it? I'm close to getting a 3500 done myself.Hope you can make it to the event. Unfortunately, that particular weekend is not good for me. Usually, the event is held the first weekend in June.<br>
> Yours,<br>
> Jim Pile<br>
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> I've finally got my 1958 Rover P4 60 in order and running well. I'd like to plan to attend the yearly event held on the east coast with other members. What are the dates for the 2019 event. I'd like to put it on my calendar. Many Thanks!<br>
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>> Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 10:21:11 -0700<br>
>> From: "Kellogg, Charles" <<a href="mailto:charlesk@darebritannia.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">charlesk@darebritannia.com</a>><br>
>> To: <a href="mailto:rovernet@rovernet.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">rovernet@rovernet.org</a><br>
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>> To whom it may concern:<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> I am writing this letter to outline my experiences working with The British<br>
>> Northwest Land-Rover Company of Olympia, WA. My experience with classic<br>
>> and antique vehicles as both an owner and amateur mechanic spans<br>
>> approximately 35 years. My experience with British Northwest covers the<br>
>> last 17 years and has been quite positive.<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> In January 1994 I purchased a 1971 Series IIA Land Rover 88 from British<br>
>> Northwest Land-Rover Co. (BN) while I was living in Portland, OR. I should<br>
>> note that I had owned an older but similar vehicle some years earlier and<br>
>> was familiar with the brand and models, though at that time was far from an<br>
>> expert. From the time of purchase through 1998 when I moved to New York<br>
>> City, I used the vehicle as my daily commuter, covering approximately<br>
>> 50,000 miles -- very high mileage for a vehicle of this type and age.<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> I drove the Rover to BN in Olympia a couple of times each year for service<br>
>> or repairs that were beyond my advanced amateur skill level. Each<br>
>> experience was excellent and the repairs were well done. I should note and<br>
>> will relate the details of one frustrating service experience during this<br>
>> time. It involved my Land Rover?s brakes.<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> After a year or two I felt there was a minor pulsing of the brakes during<br>
>> stops. At a service visit I mentioned this and Charles Kellogg of BN said<br>
>> they would look at the problem. When I picked up the car, he said it<br>
>> looked like one of the drums might be a bit out of round so they cleaned it<br>
>> up. This involves a machine that shaves off thin layers of metal from the<br>
>> brake drum to ensure it is perfectly round.<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Unfortunately the problem persisted. I returned the car on two more<br>
>> occasions as time permitted. Charles took me seriously, but could not find<br>
>> the problem. We agreed that it was not dangerous, just annoying. Still,<br>
>> it bothered Mr. Kellogg and he did more investigating. He called me to say<br>
>> that the after looking at everything, he now was certain the problem was<br>
>> that a dial caliper (a measuring device) on the machine they use to clean<br>
>> up brake drums had been faulty. When he thought the drums were correctly<br>
>> adjusted, they weren?t. He immediately took care of the issue and indeed<br>
>> it was resolved. I should note that he only charged me for the initial<br>
>> repair and never for any of the subsequent and ultimately successful<br>
>> remediative efforts. He always [ CK EDIT: ATTENDED ?] to my concerns<br>
>> seriously, even when it would have been reasonable to consider my<br>
>> complaints hyper-sensitivity on my part.<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> In mid-1998, on moving to New York I left the vehicle with BN, unsure what<br>
>> the future would hold in terms of vehicle requirements. I told Charles to<br>
>> go ahead and perform some substantial upgrades, but that I might not want<br>
>> the Rover in NY. He undertook the work (which was to be quite substantial,<br>
>> amounting to well in excess of $10,000, closer to $15,000 if my memory<br>
>> serves). When it became clear I would not need the Rover I suggested he<br>
>> keep the vehicle and sell it, covering the repair costs and we would deal<br>
>> with any profits if there were any. As it happened, costs and profits more<br>
>> or less balanced out and for the time being our relationship was concluded.<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> In 2005 I purchased a 1973 Land Rover off of eBay similar to the one I?d<br>
>> purchased from BN, though in seriously flawed condition. My goal was to<br>
>> undertake a full restoration of the vehicle myself. The project is now<br>
>> complete. I began by speaking to a number of known Land Rover<br>
>> restoration/service companies in the East. I received unofficial<br>
>> quotations ranging from $30,000 to more than $50,000. With this<br>
>> information I set my own work budget and began the project. Over the 4<br>
>> years I worked on the restoration, sourcing quality parts from the least<br>
>> expensive suppliers from all over the United States, Canada, and Britain,,<br>
>> I spent approximately $20,000.<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> This is notable for two reasons. First, a basic restoration of a Land<br>
>> Rover even for an experienced amateur costs many tens of thousands of<br>
>> dollars and can take years, though I had no other projects outside of work<br>
>> to devote to this singular task.<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Second, during the project, I purchased only a few items from BN (a<br>
>> restored alternator, spark plug wires, spark plugs, points, and<br>
>> condenser). Yet when I called from time to time whether seeking parts or<br>
>> advice, Charles Kellogg was always generous with his time and advice<br>
>> without any expectation of compensation. When he suggested a strategy or<br>
>> solution he would follow up to determine if it worked or with an additional<br>
>> thought. For anyone who has ever worked on an historic vehicle, especially<br>
>> a British one, it can seem there is no rhyme or reason to what works<br>
>> consistently and what does not. Kellogg?s imagination, persistence and<br>
>> perfectionism are the difference between a typical restoration project and<br>
>> a successful one ? and I?ve worked on many British and European cars and<br>
>> motorcycles. His approach can seem overly detailed, fussy, or even<br>
>> unnecessary to the uninitiated or those seeking a bargain or a car destined<br>
>> as a status symbol rather than a working vehicle. But BNs cars run<br>
>> correctly, are period accurate, and reflect their time and culture of<br>
>> manufacture. This is expensive and far from an exact science, but then<br>
>> classic car restoration is an art.<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> My last notable involvement with BN was in 2010. Charles Kellogg was on<br>
>> the East coast to attend to a customer issue in my general geographic<br>
>> area. He stopped by to say hello and to see how my project was going. I<br>
>> related my progress and an issue I was having (the car would not start and<br>
>> all attempts at troubleshooting failed). He and the person he was with<br>
>> went to my work area and spent the next four hours troubleshooting the<br>
>> problem as well as a few others I had not yet begun to address. Having run<br>
>> out of time (it was now midnight and I needed sleep), they left. A day<br>
>> later he called me without prompting, having related the issue to one of<br>
>> the mechanics in Olympia. The mechanic suggested a fix that worked and<br>
>> like many classic era Land Rover issues it was neither obvious, intuitive,<br>
>> nor something that anyone with less experience would think of.<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> The challenge of maintaining and operating older British vehicles, and Land<br>
>> Rovers are no exception, is a complex and idiosyncratic one. Even the<br>
>> least expensive or simple-seeming task can give rise to endlessly<br>
>> escalating tasks that require time, money, resources, and knowledge. After<br>
>> 35 years as an old vehicle enthusiast I can attest to this ? old cars are<br>
>> old and niche old cars are challenging no matter what the quality or cost<br>
>> of the work done.<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> In my experience, The British Northwest Land-Rover Co. is not inexpensive,<br>
>> not especially quick, nor are any other quality restoration shops. But<br>
>> they are relentless trouble shooters, generous with their time and<br>
>> knowledge, obsessively detail-oriented, and willing to make every effort to<br>
>> equitably address issues, even where those issues are endemic to the<br>
>> vehicles themselves and not of BN?s own creation.<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> I recognize that everyone?s experience with any company will be different<br>
>> for better or worse. But in the emotional and idiosyncratic world of old<br>
>> Land Rovers, where expectations often do not match the real limitations of<br>
>> these old vehicles, and where owner ego and insecurity are a fact if life,<br>
>> for<br>
>> me BN has been consistently honest, detail and service-oriented, and<br>
>> generous with time and knowledge. I?ve worked with just about every<br>
>> supplier of parts and services for old Land Rovers with more and less<br>
>> positive outcomes. I can say unequivocally, I would and will continue to<br>
>> be a customer of The British Northwest Land-Rover Co.<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Should you have any questions or require additional information, please do<br>
>> not hesitate to call on me. E-mail tends to be best.<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Sincerely,<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Jeb Weisman<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Charles Kellogg<br>
>> Director of Restorations<br>
>> Dare Britannia, Ltd.<br>
>> 1043 Kaiser Rd. SW, Unit C<br>
>> Olympia, WA 98512, USA<br>
>> <a href="http://www.darebritannia.com/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.darebritannia.com/</a><br>
>> <br>
>> *Thank you for your enquiry for our parts and services. We offer the<br>
>> highest-quality spare parts for the vintage Land -Rover. Our staff is<br>
>> minuscule while the demand for rare and ?unobtainable? parts for early<br>
>> Land-Rovers is relentless. While your concern is important to us, our<br>
>> ability to respond to each and every enquiry may be limited and stocks of<br>
>> many items are critically low.. We are primarily a restoration-based<br>
>> enterprise but when we have a surplus of a given item, we are able to<br>
>> offer excess stocks to our dedicated clients. If your need is urgent, we<br>
>> encourage you to contact us by phone, in person. Leaving a message is<br>
>> rarely effective, so we recommend direct contact. With many buildings full<br>
>> of parts, it is not always easy to locate obscure items, and the process is<br>
>> often time consuming. We hope you understand. Please<br>
>> provide complete details of your exact model including year, wheelbase,<br>
>> which side drive, engine, Country of origin, etc. When giving part numbers,<br>
>> please also state the catalogue number (typically found on the front<br>
>> cover). We appreciate your understanding and will do all we can to help.*<br>
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