<div dir="ltr">Steven's words are all good. 1 other possible issue: if the coil has been replaced it may B the wrong type (there are 2 basic types: ballasted and non-ballasted, possibly changed B4 U bought it. The wrong type can melt the rubbing block if U have points. ALSO having the wrong kind of plug wires can cause issues; the wires must B the correct kind for points vs. electronic pickups. If U have points 1 quick check is 2 make sure they're both opening and have the correct gap. I suggest checking the fuel pressure: s.b. about 1.75-2.25 PSI <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><span style="font-size:7pt;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times New Roman""> </span><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times New Roman""> </span></span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">A bad condenser can
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4. Re: Rovernet Digest, Vol 106, Issue 6 (Kellogg, Charles)<br>
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Hi All:<br>
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New starter is working fine on the 2000TC. Car starts up right away with choke. Holds a nice idle a minute later with no choke. Car idles fine for 20 minutes then dies. Car will not start thereafter (until cold).<br>
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Something heating up, like a coil?<br>
<br>
Bob<br>
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Check for spark first. If no spark check following:<br>
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[1] Feel coil, does it feel too hot to touch? Take off low tension wires<br>
and measure across terminals with ohmmeter. It should read 1.5-3ohms. Full<br>
short and it's dead, infinite ohms and it's also dead.<br>
[2] I've seen ballast resistors fail this way too (work for a while then<br>
die). When car fails to start, measure resistance from wire coming from<br>
distributor to coil via tacho inside car. I believe its white with a black<br>
trace. If you see infinite ohms, ballast resistor is dead. Unfortunately<br>
that's built into the wiring harness inside the dash. Easiest solution is<br>
to run a new wire with an external ballast resistor of still using<br>
conventional ignition.<br>
[3] Have you changed the condenser recently? Modern ones have real problems<br>
with quality control and frequently fail shortly after fitting. You might<br>
want to upgrade to an electronic system such as pertronix, Accuspark or, my<br>
favorite magnatronic<br>
<a href="http://autocar-electrical.co.uk/lumenition-range/magnetronic-product-guide" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://autocar-electrical.co.uk/lumenition-range/magnetronic-product-guide</a><br>
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If you do have a spark, suspect no fuel. I had a problem where ethanol had<br>
attacked the rubber diaphragm inside the fuel pump. It only manifested<br>
itself when the car was warm and started as a small misfire until one day<br>
it died completely. Also check fuel line routing, heat can cause vapour<br>
lock, especially with ethanol based fuels due to their lower boiling point.<br>
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Hope the above helps and good luck!<br>
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Steven<br>
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> *Hi All:*<br>
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> *New starter is working fine on the 2000TC. Car starts up right away with<br>
> choke. Holds a nice idle a minute later with no choke. Car idles fine for<br>
> 20 minutes then dies. Car will not start thereafter (until cold).*<br>
><br>
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> *Something heating up, like a coil?*<br>
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> *Bob *<br>
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Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 13:22:11 -0400<br>
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Steven has a lot of good advice. I would also open the fuel filler and confirm that it isn?t under vacuum (though I find that quite unlikely).<br>
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Tom<br>
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> On May 18, 2022, at 12:33 PM, Steven Dibdin via Rovernet <<a href="mailto:rovernet@rovernet.org" target="_blank">rovernet@rovernet.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> ?<br>
> Check for spark first. If no spark check following:<br>
> <br>
> [1] Feel coil, does it feel too hot to touch? Take off low tension wires and measure across terminals with ohmmeter. It should read 1.5-3ohms. Full short and it's dead, infinite ohms and it's also dead. <br>
> [2] I've seen ballast resistors fail this way too (work for a while then die). When car fails to start, measure resistance from wire coming from distributor to coil via tacho inside car. I believe its white with a black trace. If you see infinite ohms, ballast resistor is dead. Unfortunately that's built into the wiring harness inside the dash. Easiest solution is to run a new wire with an external ballast resistor of still using conventional ignition. <br>
> [3] Have you changed the condenser recently? Modern ones have real problems with quality control and frequently fail shortly after fitting. You might want to upgrade to an electronic system such as pertronix, Accuspark or, my favorite magnatronic <a href="http://autocar-electrical.co.uk/lumenition-range/magnetronic-product-guide" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://autocar-electrical.co.uk/lumenition-range/magnetronic-product-guide</a><br>
> <br>
> If you do have a spark, suspect no fuel. I had a problem where ethanol had attacked the rubber diaphragm inside the fuel pump. It only manifested itself when the car was warm and started as a small misfire until one day it died completely. Also check fuel line routing, heat can cause vapour lock, especially with ethanol based fuels due to their lower boiling point. <br>
> <br>
> Hope the above helps and good luck!<br>
> <br>
> Steven<br>
> <br>
>> On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 12:20 PM Robert Ruggeri via Rovernet <<a href="mailto:rovernet@rovernet.org" target="_blank">rovernet@rovernet.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>> Hi All:<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> New starter is working fine on the 2000TC. Car starts up right away with choke. Holds a nice idle a minute later with no choke. Car idles fine for 20 minutes then dies. Car will not start thereafter (until cold).<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Something heating up, like a coil?<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Bob<br>
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Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 11:16:22 -0700<br>
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> Only if you lower the rear of the diff some by removing the three bolts<br>
> holding the back of the diff to the mounting plate and removing the drive<br>
> shaft. The half shafts can stay attached. You?ll need some sort of support<br>
> so the diff doesn?t hang off the front mount ? a 2x4 cut to length works if<br>
> you?re got it up on a lift.<br>
><br>
> Yours<br>
> Vern<br>
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> > On May 18, 2022, at 7:35 AM, larry williamson via Rovernet <<br>
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Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 16:59:40 -0600<br>
From: larry williamson <<a href="mailto:lewill4756@gmail.com" target="_blank">lewill4756@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [Rovernet] P6 dies after 20 minutes<br>
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I had a P6 that would stall and then after sitting for a few minutes it<br>
would go again for a while. It was the condenser that was the problem . I<br>
change it and all was well. Larry<br>
<br>
On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 11:22 AM Tom Rymes via Rovernet <<br>
<a href="mailto:rovernet@rovernet.org" target="_blank">rovernet@rovernet.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Steven has a lot of good advice. I would also open the fuel filler and<br>
> confirm that it isn?t under vacuum (though I find that quite unlikely).<br>
><br>
> Tom<br>
><br>
> On May 18, 2022, at 12:33 PM, Steven Dibdin via Rovernet <<br>
> <a href="mailto:rovernet@rovernet.org" target="_blank">rovernet@rovernet.org</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> ?<br>
> Check for spark first. If no spark check following:<br>
><br>
> [1] Feel coil, does it feel too hot to touch? Take off low tension wires<br>
> and measure across terminals with ohmmeter. It should read 1.5-3ohms. Full<br>
> short and it's dead, infinite ohms and it's also dead.<br>
> [2] I've seen ballast resistors fail this way too (work for a while then<br>
> die). When car fails to start, measure resistance from wire coming from<br>
> distributor to coil via tacho inside car. I believe its white with a black<br>
> trace. If you see infinite ohms, ballast resistor is dead. Unfortunately<br>
> that's built into the wiring harness inside the dash. Easiest solution is<br>
> to run a new wire with an external ballast resistor of still using<br>
> conventional ignition.<br>
> [3] Have you changed the condenser recently? Modern ones have real<br>
> problems with quality control and frequently fail shortly after fitting.<br>
> You might want to upgrade to an electronic system such as pertronix,<br>
> Accuspark or, my favorite magnatronic<br>
> <a href="http://autocar-electrical.co.uk/lumenition-range/magnetronic-product-guide" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://autocar-electrical.co.uk/lumenition-range/magnetronic-product-guide</a><br>
><br>
> If you do have a spark, suspect no fuel. I had a problem where ethanol had<br>
> attacked the rubber diaphragm inside the fuel pump. It only manifested<br>
> itself when the car was warm and started as a small misfire until one day<br>
> it died completely. Also check fuel line routing, heat can cause vapour<br>
> lock, especially with ethanol based fuels due to their lower boiling point.<br>
><br>
> Hope the above helps and good luck!<br>
><br>
> Steven<br>
><br>
> On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 12:20 PM Robert Ruggeri via Rovernet <<br>
> <a href="mailto:rovernet@rovernet.org" target="_blank">rovernet@rovernet.org</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> *Hi All:*<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> *New starter is working fine on the 2000TC. Car starts up right away<br>
>> with choke. Holds a nice idle a minute later with no choke. Car idles<br>
>> fine for 20 minutes then dies. Car will not start thereafter (until cold).*<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> *Something heating up, like a coil?*<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> *Bob *<br>
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Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 17:00:24 -0700<br>
From: Gordon Reddy <<a href="mailto:gorgowof@gmail.com" target="_blank">gorgowof@gmail.com</a>><br>
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I had a problem with the tank breather line. It had somehow stretched and<br>
closed itself off where it travelled through the rear deck to the B pillar.<br>
I doubt that's the problem but if you open the filler cap and hear air<br>
rushing in and/or run the car with the cap open and it is fine then that's<br>
the problem. I tend to agree with the condenser theory.<br>
Cheers,<br>
Gord<br>
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On Wed, 18 May 2022 at 16:00, larry williamson via Rovernet <<br>
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<br>
> I had a P6 that would stall and then after sitting for a few minutes it<br>
> would go again for a while. It was the condenser that was the problem . I<br>
> change it and all was well. Larry<br>
><br>
> On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 11:22 AM Tom Rymes via Rovernet <<br>
> <a href="mailto:rovernet@rovernet.org" target="_blank">rovernet@rovernet.org</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Steven has a lot of good advice. I would also open the fuel filler and<br>
>> confirm that it isn?t under vacuum (though I find that quite unlikely).<br>
>><br>
>> Tom<br>
>><br>
>> On May 18, 2022, at 12:33 PM, Steven Dibdin via Rovernet <<br>
>> <a href="mailto:rovernet@rovernet.org" target="_blank">rovernet@rovernet.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> ?<br>
>> Check for spark first. If no spark check following:<br>
>><br>
>> [1] Feel coil, does it feel too hot to touch? Take off low tension wires<br>
>> and measure across terminals with ohmmeter. It should read 1.5-3ohms. Full<br>
>> short and it's dead, infinite ohms and it's also dead.<br>
>> [2] I've seen ballast resistors fail this way too (work for a while then<br>
>> die). When car fails to start, measure resistance from wire coming from<br>
>> distributor to coil via tacho inside car. I believe its white with a black<br>
>> trace. If you see infinite ohms, ballast resistor is dead. Unfortunately<br>
>> that's built into the wiring harness inside the dash. Easiest solution is<br>
>> to run a new wire with an external ballast resistor of still using<br>
>> conventional ignition.<br>
>> [3] Have you changed the condenser recently? Modern ones have real<br>
>> problems with quality control and frequently fail shortly after fitting.<br>
>> You might want to upgrade to an electronic system such as pertronix,<br>
>> Accuspark or, my favorite magnatronic<br>
>> <a href="http://autocar-electrical.co.uk/lumenition-range/magnetronic-product-guide" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://autocar-electrical.co.uk/lumenition-range/magnetronic-product-guide</a><br>
>><br>
>> If you do have a spark, suspect no fuel. I had a problem where ethanol<br>
>> had attacked the rubber diaphragm inside the fuel pump. It only manifested<br>
>> itself when the car was warm and started as a small misfire until one day<br>
>> it died completely. Also check fuel line routing, heat can cause vapour<br>
>> lock, especially with ethanol based fuels due to their lower boiling point.<br>
>><br>
>> Hope the above helps and good luck!<br>
>><br>
>> Steven<br>
>><br>
>> On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 12:20 PM Robert Ruggeri via Rovernet <<br>
>> <a href="mailto:rovernet@rovernet.org" target="_blank">rovernet@rovernet.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> *Hi All:*<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> *New starter is working fine on the 2000TC. Car starts up right away<br>
>>> with choke. Holds a nice idle a minute later with no choke. Car idles<br>
>>> fine for 20 minutes then dies. Car will not start thereafter (until cold).*<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> *Something heating up, like a coil?*<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> *Bob *<br>
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Date: Thu, 19 May 2022 01:33:21 +0000<br>
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As always, many thanks for the good advice. I?ll follow up and let you know at some point.<br>
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Bob<br>
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Subject: Re: [Rovernet] P6 dies after 20 minutes<br>
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I had a P6 that would stall and then after sitting for a few minutes it would go again for a while. It was the condenser that was the problem . I change it and all was well. Larry<br>
<br>
On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 11:22 AM Tom Rymes via Rovernet <<a href="mailto:rovernet@rovernet.org" target="_blank">rovernet@rovernet.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:rovernet@rovernet.org" target="_blank">rovernet@rovernet.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
Steven has a lot of good advice. I would also open the fuel filler and confirm that it isn?t under vacuum (though I find that quite unlikely).<br>
<br>
Tom<br>
<br>
<br>
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?<br>
Check for spark first. If no spark check following:<br>
<br>
[1] Feel coil, does it feel too hot to touch? Take off low tension wires and measure across terminals with ohmmeter. It should read 1.5-3ohms. Full short and it's dead, infinite ohms and it's also dead.<br>
[2] I've seen ballast resistors fail this way too (work for a while then die). When car fails to start, measure resistance from wire coming from distributor to coil via tacho inside car. I believe its white with a black trace. If you see infinite ohms, ballast resistor is dead. Unfortunately that's built into the wiring harness inside the dash. Easiest solution is to run a new wire with an external ballast resistor of still using conventional ignition.<br>
[3] Have you changed the condenser recently? Modern ones have real problems with quality control and frequently fail shortly after fitting. You might want to upgrade to an electronic system such as pertronix, Accuspark or, my favorite magnatronic <a href="http://autocar-electrical.co.uk/lumenition-range/magnetronic-product-guide" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://autocar-electrical.co.uk/lumenition-range/magnetronic-product-guide</a><<a href="https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fautocar-electrical.co.uk%2Flumenition-range%2Fmagnetronic-product-guide&data=05%7C01%7C%7C6a11d810458d48f97c0c08da3922422b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637885116547079868%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=fAePu7rO%2Ff1x%2FG3Ib6D1cBNwJZ6JOdXfx5wvhanto0k%3D&reserved=0" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fautocar-electrical.co.uk%2Flumenition-range%2Fmagnetronic-product-guide&data=05%7C01%7C%7C6a11d810458d48f97c0c08da3922422b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637885116547079868%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=fAePu7rO%2Ff1x%2FG3Ib6D1cBNwJZ6JOdXfx5wvhanto0k%3D&reserved=0</a>><br>
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If you do have a spark, suspect no fuel. I had a problem where ethanol had attacked the rubber diaphragm inside the fuel pump. It only manifested itself when the car was warm and started as a small misfire until one day it died completely. Also check fuel line routing, heat can cause vapour lock, especially with ethanol based fuels due to their lower boiling point.<br>
<br>
Hope the above helps and good luck!<br>
<br>
Steven<br>
<br>
On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 12:20 PM Robert Ruggeri via Rovernet <<a href="mailto:rovernet@rovernet.org" target="_blank">rovernet@rovernet.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:rovernet@rovernet.org" target="_blank">rovernet@rovernet.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
Hi All:<br>
<br>
New starter is working fine on the 2000TC. Car starts up right away with choke. Holds a nice idle a minute later with no choke. Car idles fine for 20 minutes then dies. Car will not start thereafter (until cold).<br>
<br>
Something heating up, like a coil?<br>
<br>
Bob<br>
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