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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>OK. Hope you sell it. We go to Albany now and then, so might be able to see it if not sold.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Geoffrey W. McCarthy MD MBA DipAvMed Col USAFMC (ret)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>677 NW Melinda Ave<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Portland OR 97210<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>503-799-3809 (m)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Rovernet <rovernet-bounces@rovernet.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dermot Harvey via Rovernet<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 24, 2025 12:45 PM<br><b>To:</b> Rovernet <rovernet@rovernet.org><br><b>Cc:</b> Dermot Harvey <rovermansd1@gmail.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Rovernet] Rover espionage!!!!!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Geoff,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>My SD1 is still for sale. I have a couple of people interested, but we are waiting to get the salt of the roads before test drives.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Dermot<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Feb 24, 2025, at 12:49 PM, geffandjulie--- via Rovernet <<a href="mailto:rovernet@rovernet.org">rovernet@rovernet.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Thanks Steve. I remember the de Lorean saga; highly subsidized by the UK government. Not a P6, but in a small but interesting transport museum east of Belfast is a cut-in-half…SD-1! A short drive or train ride.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Geoffrey W. McCarthy MD MBA DipAvMed Col USAFMC (ret)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>677 NW Melinda Ave</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Portland OR 97210</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>503-799-3809 (m)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Rovernet <<a href="mailto:rovernet-bounces@rovernet.org">rovernet-bounces@rovernet.org</a>><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Steven Dibdin via Rovernet<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Sunday, February 23, 2025 6:22 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Rovernet <<a href="mailto:rovernet@rovernet.org">rovernet@rovernet.org</a>><br><b>Cc:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Steven Dibdin <<a href="mailto:sdibdin@gmail.com">sdibdin@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [Rovernet] Rover espionage!!!!!</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Speaking as an Englishman it’s terrible how we treated the Irish. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I will say though, growing up in Woolwich and seeing the effects of pub bombings <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Made me pretty angry too. It was/is a brutal part of<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Both nations life. The DeLorean factory did more to heal the situation <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>than any other activity. The one rule there: no talking about religion or politics. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Just having a well paying job and working alongside each other other did so much. I wish <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>more of it had happened, it would’ve saved so much bloodshed. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The book is well worth a read. <a href="https://www.amazon.com/DeLorean-Story-car-people-scandal/dp/0857333143">https://www.amazon.com/DeLorean-Story-car-people-scandal/dp/0857333143</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Sent from a small screen, please excuse any typos. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Feb 23, 2025, at 16:42, Dermot Harvey via Rovernet <<a href="mailto:rovernet@rovernet.org">rovernet@rovernet.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'></span>Hi Geoff,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Interesting story.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I am for an anglo irish family. An ancestor, one Bagenal Harvey was involved in the taking of Wexford from the British in 1798.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Dermot Harvey<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Feb 23, 2025, at 1:31 PM, geffandjulie--- via Rovernet <<a href="mailto:rovernet@rovernet.org">rovernet@rovernet.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Not unusual, savage story of the IRA campaign for total control of the 6 counties in the northeast that still remain British.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>An Poblacht means<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><i>the Republic</i><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>in Irish. Reading it gives a sense of the fervor, often murderous, of the independence movement. To this day, the Irish call it the Revolution, which finally achieved a nation after conquest of Eire in the 13-1400s.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>My 4 grandparents were all Irish and immigrated here in the 1890s. I was raised to hate the “Brits” because they “dragged my father’s cousin to death behind a van”. IRA cousin, it seemed.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>However, when we visited the charming village of Dingle, where a monument to “Bobby Mac” exists even today, the story was a bit different: Bobby Mac was on the wrong side of the short, fortunately not too nasty, Civil war, and came down from the hills to “visit his mother, or go to Mass”. And was shot by Irish. The civil war was fought<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><i>after<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></i> the truce, and pitted those who wanted complete independence, vs those who would still swear allegiance to the King, and become effectively a Commonwealth country. We know who won.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Ironically, in our many visits to Eire, distaste for Brits is little more than a joke. Only once did we encounter real antipathy, and that family’s kids were…in school in UK! The 2 nations have almost no borders, Irish can still vote in local elections in UK< etc.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>The Palestinian Israeli tragedy could learn from the Irish. After independence there was a Land Commission to fairly distribute the lordly estates. Many British owners left, many stayed, with less land. The same process took place in South Africa after apartheid ended.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Ireland was a poor, agricultural nation when we first visited in the 60s . The Irish were always highly educated, literate, witty, social. It was EU money that transformed the nation into the prosperous, dynamic republic.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Geoffrey W<b>. McCarthy</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>MD MBA DipAvMed Col USAFMC (ret)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>677 NW Melinda Ave</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Portland OR 97210</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>503-799-3809 (m)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Rovernet <<a href="mailto:rovernet-bounces@rovernet.org">rovernet-bounces@rovernet.org</a>><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Lance La Certe via Rovernet<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Saturday, February 22, 2025 5:30 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Rovernet <<a href="mailto:rovernet@rovernet.org">rovernet@rovernet.org</a>><br><b>Cc:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Lance La Certe <<a href="mailto:lacpsyd6@msn.com">lacpsyd6@msn.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>[Rovernet] Rover espionage!!!!!</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Was in Washington DC last weekend and visited the fabulous Spy Musuem, just off the National Mall (if you haven't been, it is a MUST).</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>As we were working our way through, I was caught off guard by a photo and story of an undercover soldier working for the British government who was killed by the IRA.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Pretty as you please, Telford Stuart, was leaning against a Series 1 P6</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Here ya go! (this is a very detailed article which was not part of the museum's display).</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><a href="https://www.anphoblacht.com/contents/26370">https://www.anphoblacht.com/contents/26370</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div style='margin-top:12.0pt;margin-bottom:12.0pt;min-width: 424px' id="LPBorder_GTaHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYW5waG9ibGFjaHQuY29tL2NvbnRlbnRzLzI2Mzcw"><table class=MsoNormalTable border=1 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%;border:solid #C8C8C8 1.0pt'><tr><td valign=top style='border:none;padding:9.0pt 27.0pt 9.0pt 9.0pt'><div style='margin-right:9.0pt;overflow:hidden' id=LPImageContainer889053><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://www.anphoblacht.com/contents/26370" target="_blank"><span style='text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=240 height=163 style='width:2.5in;height:1.6979in' id="_x0000_i1025" src="https://www.anphoblacht.com/files/images/620/2016/Ted-Stuart-660x430.jpg"></span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></td><td width="100%" valign=top style='width:100.0%;border:none;padding:9.0pt 27.0pt 9.0pt 9.0pt'><div style='margin-right:6.0pt;margin-bottom:9.0pt' id=LPTitle889053><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Light",sans-serif'><a href="https://www.anphoblacht.com/contents/26370" target="_blank"><span style='text-decoration:none'>MRF soldier-spy’s family wins first battle against British Arm...</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div style='margin-right:6.0pt;margin-bottom:9.0pt;max-height: 100px;overflow:hidden' id=LPDescription889053><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:#666666'>Strabane-born soldier was killed when an IRA counter-intelligence unit ambushed him on 2 October 1972 during a ‘Four Square Laundry’ collection in west Belfast</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div id=LPMetadata889053><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:#A6A6A6'><a href="http://www.anphoblacht.com/">www.anphoblacht.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></td></tr></table></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div id=Signature><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;background:white'>Lance </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span 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