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--></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=black vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>$6000! I was prepared to bid this high, but..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Geoffrey W. McCarthy MD MBA DipAvMed Col USAFMC (ret)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>677 NW Melinda Ave<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Portland OR 97210<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>503-799-3809 (m)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Rovernet <rovernet-bounces@rovernet.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>GeffMcCarthy via Rovernet<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 2, 2026 8:59<br><b>To:</b> 'Rovernet' <rovernet@rovernet.org><br><b>Cc:</b> GeffMcCarthy <geffandjulie@comcast.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Rovernet] 1958 Rover P4 105S for Sale - Cars & Bids<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Thanks to you both. Bid now at $3900, I think I shall not bid on this one. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Geoffrey W. McCarthy MD MBA DipAvMed Col USAFMC (ret)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>677 NW Melinda Ave<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Portland OR 97210<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>503-799-3809 (m)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Rovernet <<a href="mailto:rovernet-bounces@rovernet.org">rovernet-bounces@rovernet.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jon Stanley via Rovernet<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 2, 2026 6:51<br><b>To:</b> Rovernet <<a href="mailto:Rovernet@rovernet.org">Rovernet@rovernet.org</a>>; Rovernet <<a href="mailto:Rovernet@rovernet.org">Rovernet@rovernet.org</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Jon Stanley <<a href="mailto:jonathan.b.stanley@gmail.com">jonathan.b.stanley@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Rovernet] 1958 Rover P4 105S for Sale - Cars & Bids<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>Geoff,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>You could do some research on past online auction sales at <a href="https://www.classic.com/m/rover/p4/">https://www.classic.com/m/rover/p4/</a>. Cars and Bids seems to be an obscure auction site compared to BAT and eBay, so it may not bring in the same bidding competition, but who knows.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>A couple years ago, I had sold a completely frame-off restored 53 to California albeit with a non-original drivetrain for $10K. Having restored two 53's and about to finish a P5B, I can attest that mechanical parts, body and paint, and interior carpet/door panels/seats altogether very easily adds up to over $6000-8000 while doing all the work myself with zero (or negative!) labor compensation. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>I know of 3 other 105's besides the two that Steve mentioned in New England. One is in NM, one in Colorado, and I have the same 58 105S serial 007 that I found in rural Texas last year that condition-wise is the polar opposite of the one currently up for sale and essentially worthless in need of a major investment to restore.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>Jon<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>------ Original Message ------<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>From "Steve Manwell via Rovernet" <<a href="mailto:rovernet@rovernet.org">rovernet@rovernet.org</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>To <a href="mailto:rovernet@rovernet.org">rovernet@rovernet.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>Cc "Steve Manwell" <<a href="mailto:sman_mail@comcast.net">sman_mail@comcast.net</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>Date 2/2/2026 8:03:15 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>Subject Re: [Rovernet] 1958 Rover P4 105S for Sale - Cars & Bids<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id=x39a4f0af668e42a><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 8.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:2.25pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>Hi Geoff,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>It's hard to put a value on a Rover in any case, especially so today with classic car values generally lower, and also not being familiar with this particular car, not looking at it up close, not knowing how it runs and drives, etc. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>With that disclaimer, here are some thoughts: $5000 to $6000 seems possible in an on-line auction situation based on some recent Rover sales on BAT, though these are mostly P6s. This 105S is is much rarer than any P6, but there may not be as many people that know they want a P4. The rust-free or mostly rust-free chassis and body, good chrome, good chrome and driver condition mean it should sell for more than project car money. You won't see another one at the local British car show -- I only know of two other 4-speed/OD 105's, and they are in New England. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>Maybe it could be worth $10,000, but that seems unlikely unless several people keep bidding because they want it in what amounts to a wholesale auction. Several things limit value: the paint looks very presentable, but some of the photos show orange peal, overs-spray, chips, etc. The interior was re-done pretty well, but it lost some of the original detail and now needs some repairs. Not much is known about the service history -- a few specific brake repairs are mentioned, but it could need a more thorough brake system rebuild. There are no photos of the exhaust system other than the tail pipe, which looks like the original bigger bore size on the 105 and 110. The tires are much too wide, so the steering probably will be quite heavy. Nothing suggests it needs major restoration, but it likely needs some time and money spent on re-commissioning and improvements. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>Steve<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>On 2/1/2026 7:32 PM, GeffMcCarthy via Rovernet wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 8.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Bid currently $3100. Ends tomorrow. I might bid. What do you think this P4 is really worth, please? </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Geoffrey W. McCarthy MD MBA DipAvMed Col USAFMC (ret) </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>677 NW Melinda Ave </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Portland OR 97210 </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>503-799-3809 (m) </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Rovernet <a href="mailto:rovernet-bounces@rovernet.org"><span style='color:blue'><rovernet-bounces@rovernet.org></span></a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Steve Manwell via Rovernet<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January 31, 2026 12:17<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:rovernet@rovernet.org"><span style='color:blue'>rovernet@rovernet.org</span></a><br><b>Cc:</b> Steve Manwell <a href="mailto:sman_mail@comcast.net"><span style='color:blue'><sman_mail@comcast.net></span></a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Rovernet] 1958 Rover P4 105S for Sale - Cars & Bids </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>Hi Jon,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>I'm glad its on the other side of the continent to make it less tempting to me! One couldn't do much restoration on another one for the current bid plus shipping. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>It looks to be in good condition overall. Seems like it would be a good driver needing limited repairs and improvements. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>I've had a good driver-condition 100 for years, and my grandfather's 1964 110 awaits restoration. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>Steve Manwell<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 1/27/2026 8:50 AM, Jon Stanley via Rovernet wrote: <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>Hello Rover fans, <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>This nice 58 105S came up for auction yesterday, located in California: <a href="https://carsandbids.com/auctions/35dERzlj/1958-rover-p4-105s"><span style='color:blue'>https://carsandbids.com/auctions/35dERzlj/1958-rover-p4-105s</span></a> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>It is serial 005 of only 148 LHD exports made of this year/model. Tempting because I have the same 58 105S, serial 007 that I rescued out of rural central Texas that needs a ton of work to get operational and look as good. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Jon<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Rovernet mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><a href="mailto:Rovernet@rovernet.org"><span style='color:blue'>Rovernet@rovernet.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><a href="http://rovernet.org/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.org"><span style='color:blue'>http://rovernet.org/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Rovernet mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><a href="mailto:Rovernet@rovernet.org"><span style='color:blue'>Rovernet@rovernet.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><a href="http://rovernet.org/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.org"><span style='color:blue'>http://rovernet.org/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></blockquote></div></div></body></html>