[Rovernet] Rovernet Digest, Vol 37, Issue 1

Fri Jun 3 00:39:10 EDT 2016

Hi Hank,

The last time I had to do this on my landrover, I warmed up the engine in 
neutral, turned the engine off, put it into first and restarted the engine 
and drove off up the (empty) road. With the clutch pedal fully depressed, I 
rocked between acceleration and engine braking. After about I minute the 
clutch let go. I believe this is the recommended method. So if you have a 
large safe space have a go. Apply the handbrake enough to put the engine 
under strain without skidding one of the rear wheels. I think it is the 
rocking that throws alternating rotational forces on the sticking clutch 
that is the key ingredient with this method.

Cheers Roger in Oz

-----Original Message----- 
From: Kellogg, Charles via Rovernet
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 3:09 AM
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Subject: Re: [Rovernet] Rovernet Digest, Vol 37, Issue 1

Hank,

Towing is not the secret, even if SOME times it works. I recommend towing
it aggressively to a SPEED BUMP...probably best done with a big strong
truck. Go over the speed bump, even a few in succession until it breaks
loose. We've always been able to break our discs loose

Good luck.

Charles Kellogg
Director of Restorations
Dare Britannia, Ltd.
Olympia, WA  98512, USA
http://www.darebritannia.com/

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>    1. seized clutch (Hank & Sally Manwell)
>    2. Re: seized clutch (Steven Dibdin)
>    3. Re: seized clutch (Ben Saunders)
>    4. Re: seized clutch (Alan Francis)
>    5. Re: seized clutch (garrett bourque)
>    6. Re: seized clutch (Robert Heimerl)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 06:16:19 -0400
> From: Hank & Sally Manwell <hdmanwell at alumni.bates.edu>
> To: Rovernet <rovernet at rovernet.org>
> Subject: [Rovernet] seized clutch
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> Our ?71 Series II TC was trailered here to Rove America yesterday on a
> trailer because after two years of storage the clutch has seized.
>
> Dirk has towed it aggressively with clutch pedal depressed and in gear and
> we have run it up and down the hill the same way, but to no avail.
>
> It?s in the shop just now while we contemplate whether there are any
> shortcuts to lowering the engine enough to pull the transmission and 
> clutch
> to get to the heart of the problem.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Hank Manwell
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 06:33:23 -0400
> From: Steven Dibdin <sdibdin at gmail.com>
> To: Rovernet <rovernet at rovernet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet] seized clutch
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> You can remove the starter motor and bell housing bolts, rad fan and brake
> fluid reservoir. Loosen the engine mount bolts lower gearbox. Rotate
> gearbox so starter motor bump on bell housing is facing up and the gearbox
> will drop out. More of a fiddle but less to remove than a while
> engine/trans assembly.
>
> Best,
>
> Steven
>
> Sent from a small screen, please excuse any typing errors.
>
> > On Jun 2, 2016, at 06:16, Hank & Sally Manwell via Rovernet <
> rovernet at rovernet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Our ?71 Series II TC was trailered here to Rove America yesterday on a
> trailer because after two years of storage the clutch has seized.
> >
> > Dirk has towed it aggressively with clutch pedal depressed and in gear
> and we have run it up and down the hill the same way, but to no avail.
> >
> > It?s in the shop just now while we contemplate whether there are any
> shortcuts to lowering the engine enough to pull the transmission and 
> clutch
> to get to the heart of the problem.
> >
> > Any thoughts?
> >
> > Hank Manwell
> > _______________________________________________
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 06:33:41 -0400
> From: Ben Saunders <bsaunders at firstva.com>
> To: Rovernet <rovernet at rovernet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet] seized clutch
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> If your car has the timing port you might be able to use an ice pick or
> similar object to drift between the disk and flywheel with the clutch
> pedal held down.
> Ben
>
> On 06/02/2016 06:16 AM, Hank & Sally Manwell via Rovernet wrote:
> > Our ?71 Series II TC was trailered here to Rove America yesterday on a
> trailer because after two years of storage the clutch has seized.
> >
> > Dirk has towed it aggressively with clutch pedal depressed and in gear
> and we have run it up and down the hill the same way, but to no avail.
> >
> > It?s in the shop just now while we contemplate whether there are any
> shortcuts to lowering the engine enough to pull the transmission and 
> clutch
> to get to the heart of the problem.
> >
> > Any thoughts?
> >
> > Hank Manwell
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rovernet mailing list
> > Rovernet at rovernet.org
> > http://rovernet.org/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.org
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 11:28:52 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Alan Francis <lingfield51 at btinternet.com>
> To: Rovernet <rovernet at rovernet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet] seized clutch
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> Hi Hank
> I have had success in the past through the timing flap on the bell
> housing. On RHD cars the washer bottle and bracket has to be removed but
> you may have the benefit of not having the steering box in the way on a 
> LHD
> car.?
> From memory I think I had no bonnett (hood) on the car at the time so not
> sure if you'll be able to do it with the bonnett in situ.?
> Using a long (at least a metre) steel rod with a thin tapered end it is
> just possible to tap it between clutch plate & flywheel while an assistant
> depressess the clutch pedal thus taking and stress of it. Rotate the 
> engine
> by hand and three or four points around the circumference of the plate
> should be enough to free it. No real force needed, like you I struggled in
> the 'usual' manner but it popped of quite easily as of course you're only
> freeing a small section at any one time rather than all of it at once and
> the forces are working to lever it off rather than spin it off.. Theres
> enough flexability in the plate to cope with the small deflection
> Good Luck
> Alan Francis (partviking)
>
>     On Thursday, June 2, 2016 11:34 AM, Ben Saunders via Rovernet <
> rovernet at rovernet.org> wrote:
>
>
>  If your car has the timing port you might be able to use an ice pick or
> similar object to drift between the disk and flywheel with the clutch
> pedal held down.
> Ben
>
> On 06/02/2016 06:16 AM, Hank & Sally Manwell via Rovernet wrote:
> > Our ?71 Series II TC was trailered here to Rove America yesterday on a
> trailer because after two years of storage the clutch has seized.
> >
> > Dirk has towed it aggressively with clutch pedal depressed and in gear
> and we have run it up and down the hill the same way, but to no avail.
> >
> > It?s in the shop just now while we contemplate whether there are any
> shortcuts to lowering the engine enough to pull the transmission and 
> clutch
> to get to the heart of the problem.
> >
> > Any thoughts?
> >
> > Hank Manwell
> > _______________________________________________
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> From: garrett bourque <gbbourque at gmail.com>
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> It has been a maintenance rich spring for a lot of people's Rovers!  Hank,
> I am sorry that you have had your clutch problem!  I spoke to Andre Shay
> yesterday.  In his P6B 3500S V8, the oil pump/distributor drive developed 
> a
> problem while he was trying to turn the oil pump's drive shaft, in order 
> to
> prime the engine before restarting it.  I will travel to Connecticut to
> pick him up, stay at his house tonight and arrive at the Rover gathering 
> on
> Friday.  I just finished removing and reinstalling the heater box back in
> my own car, in order to address a foot well leak, under the heater, when 
> it
> rains.  After removal, I also found myself searching out numerous vacuum
> leaks!  Disassembling the heater box, of my formerly AC car, revealed the
> problems and a maze of vacuum hoses to sort out and fix split ends on 
> where
> they plug into switches and the servos, which move the flaps inside the
> heater.  Everyone loves a challenge right?!  See you soon!  Garrett 
> Bourque
>
> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 6:16 AM, Hank & Sally Manwell via Rovernet <
> rovernet at rovernet.org> wrote:
>
> > Our ?71 Series II TC was trailered here to Rove America yesterday on a
> > trailer because after two years of storage the clutch has seized.
> >
> > Dirk has towed it aggressively with clutch pedal depressed and in gear
> and
> > we have run it up and down the hill the same way, but to no avail.
> >
> > It?s in the shop just now while we contemplate whether there are any
> > shortcuts to lowering the engine enough to pull the transmission and
> clutch
> > to get to the heart of the problem.
> >
> > Any thoughts?
> >
> > Hank Manwell
> > _______________________________________________
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> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 08:53:52 -0400
> From: Robert Heimerl <robertime4 at gmail.com>
> To: Rovernet <rovernet at rovernet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet] seized clutch
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> Here's another suggestion:  Make sure you're in a space where you can do 
> so
> safely, then crank (and start?) the car in first gear. If it runs and
> drives, accelerate and decelerate while depressing the clutch pedal. 
> That's
> broken a stuck clutch lose in a couple of cars I've had this happen to 
> over
> the years, but I should add that they were Opels, not Rovers.  Again, 
> don't
> try this unless you have a large empty space so it doesn't endanger
> anyone.  And turn off the ignition  and use whatever braking power you 
> have
> left (or the hand brake) to stop the car if the clutch doesn't break lose,
> of course.  Hope the battery and starter won't be the worse off for trying
> this alternative!  Best of luck, Robert
> On Jun 2, 2016 7:33 AM, "Alan Francis via Rovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.org
> >
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Hank
> > I have had success in the past through the timing flap on the bell
> > housing. On RHD cars the washer bottle and bracket has to be removed but
> > you may have the benefit of not having the steering box in the way on a
> LHD
> > car.
> > From memory I think I had no bonnett (hood) on the car at the time so 
> > not
> > sure if you'll be able to do it with the bonnett in situ.
> > Using a long (at least a metre) steel rod with a thin tapered end it is
> > just possible to tap it between clutch plate & flywheel while an
> assistant
> > depressess the clutch pedal thus taking and stress of it. Rotate the
> engine
> > by hand and three or four points around the circumference of the plate
> > should be enough to free it. No real force needed, like you I struggled
> in
> > the 'usual' manner but it popped of quite easily as of course you're 
> > only
> > freeing a small section at any one time rather than all of it at once 
> > and
> > the forces are working to lever it off rather than spin it off.. Theres
> > enough flexability in the plate to cope with the small deflection
> > Good Luck
> > Alan Francis (partviking)
> >
> >     On Thursday, June 2, 2016 11:34 AM, Ben Saunders via Rovernet <
> > rovernet at rovernet.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> >  If your car has the timing port you might be able to use an ice pick or
> > similar object to drift between the disk and flywheel with the clutch
> > pedal held down.
> > Ben
> >
> > On 06/02/2016 06:16 AM, Hank & Sally Manwell via Rovernet wrote:
> > > Our ?71 Series II TC was trailered here to Rove America yesterday on a
> > trailer because after two years of storage the clutch has seized.
> > >
> > > Dirk has towed it aggressively with clutch pedal depressed and in gear
> > and we have run it up and down the hill the same way, but to no avail.
> > >
> > > It?s in the shop just now while we contemplate whether there are any
> > shortcuts to lowering the engine enough to pull the transmission and
> clutch
> > to get to the heart of the problem.
> > >
> > > Any thoughts?
> > >
> > > Hank Manwell
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