[Rovernet] Rovernet Digest, Vol 102, Issue 9
Kellogg, Charles
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Sat Jan 22 13:14:20 EST 2022
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> 1. de Dion gaiter replacement question (Lance La Certe)
> 2. Re: de Dion gaiter replacement question (garrett bourque)
> 3. Re: de Dion gaiter replacement question (Vern Inkspot)
> 4. Re: de Dion gaiter replacement question (Lance La Certe)
> 5. Re: de Dion gaiter replacement question (Lance La Certe)
> 6. And now.......nuts to you (Lance La Certe)
> 7. Re: And now.......nuts to you (Vern Inkspot)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2022 21:09:35 +0000
> From: Lance La Certe <lacpsyd6 at msn.com>
> To: Rovernet <rovernet at rovernet.org>
> Subject: [Rovernet] de Dion gaiter replacement question
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> Several years ago I serviced the entire de Dion unit, installing new
> seals, as well as a new, aftermarket gaiter. Unfortunately, even with
> very little mileage, the cheap reproduction has begun to fail (the rubber
> folds are beginning to crack, not due to any extreme mechanical force). I
> recently acquired an excellent, NOS, OEM gaiter for replacement.
>
> Here's the question. Is there any reason why, with the driver's side de
> Dion elbow and center tube supported, that I can't just remove the
> passenger side half-shaft, disconnect the linkage, remove the right de Dion
> elbow's four nuts and 12 set bolts, slide the right elbow off, remove the
> defective gaiter, and then just replace the gaiter and reassemble in
> reverse?
>
> It would sure save a lot of time over removing the entire de Dion tube.
> Would appreciate any input, especially if anyone has accomplished this in
> such a manner.
>
> Thanks in advance, Lance
>
>
>
> ?
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> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2022 16:17:53 -0500
> From: garrett bourque <gbbourque at gmail.com>
> To: Rovernet <rovernet at rovernet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet] de Dion gaiter replacement question
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> Hello Rovernet and Lance,
> You can take the inside portion out of the outside portion of the Dedion
> tube. I have done it. The o ring does not offer much resistance as you
> slide the parts apart from each other.
> If you are feeling creative... Take a measurement of the diameter of the
> tube/ boot. Maybe a hydraulic supply store, or even a plumbing flex
> coupling could be substituted. Writing to you from chilly, hold the
> cayenne, Jefferson, Maine. Good luck! Garrett Bourque
>
> On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 4:10 PM Lance La Certe via Rovernet <
> rovernet at rovernet.org> wrote:
>
> > Several years ago I serviced the entire de Dion unit, installing new
> > seals, as well as a new, aftermarket gaiter. Unfortunately, even with
> > very little mileage, the cheap reproduction has begun to fail (the rubber
> > folds are beginning to crack, not due to any extreme mechanical force).
> I
> > recently acquired an excellent, NOS, OEM gaiter for replacement.
> >
> > Here's the question. Is there any reason why, with the driver's side de
> > Dion elbow and center tube supported, that I can't just remove the
> > passenger side half-shaft, disconnect the linkage, remove the right de
> Dion
> > elbow's four nuts and 12 set bolts, slide the right elbow off, remove the
> > defective gaiter, and then just replace the gaiter and reassemble in
> > reverse?
> >
> > It would sure save a lot of time over removing the entire de Dion tube.
> > Would appreciate any input, especially if anyone has accomplished this
> in
> > such a manner.
> >
> > Thanks in advance, Lance
> >
> >
> >
> > ?
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2022 13:37:27 -0800
> From: Vern Inkspot <vern at inkspotco.com>
> To: Rovernet <rovernet at rovernet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet] de Dion gaiter replacement question
> Message-ID: <0AED39B9-229D-4818-935C-D44789637A55 at inkspotco.com>
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> That?s taking too much apart. All you need to do is unbolt the inner tube
> end from the elbow, no need to remove the half shaft. There is enough
> flexibility in the trailing arm bushes to drop the tube end down far enough
> to slid the new gaiter on. It's a bit of work to get it over the flange,
> but doable.
> Don?t tighten the gaiter clamp until the car is back down on the ground
> and and you've bounced it up and down a few times. Other wise you might end
> up with the boot twisted and it?ll soon tear.
>
> By the way, if your tube is an oil filled one a lot of folks are now
> draining the oil and just greasing the tube on assembly, which is what
> Rover did in the end. Seems to work well by all accounts, and might
> preserve the boot a bit longer.
>
> It also seems to me there should be a hole in the boot somewhere to allow
> air to equalize, but I?m not sure about that. If so, it should be at the
> top.
>
> I?ve left the bit out about supporting the car safely on jackstands etc,
> etc.
>
> If you go to http://www.classicroverforum.net/index.php <
> http://www.classicroverforum.net/index.php> and search for dedion boot
> you?ll find lengthly how to?s. One by harveyP6 will be most informative.
>
> Yours
> Vern
>
> > On Jan 21, 2022, at 1:09 PM, Lance La Certe via Rovernet <
> rovernet at rovernet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Several years ago I serviced the entire de Dion unit, installing new
> seals, as well as a new, aftermarket gaiter. Unfortunately, even with
> very little mileage, the cheap reproduction has begun to fail (the rubber
> folds are beginning to crack, not due to any extreme mechanical force). I
> recently acquired an excellent, NOS, OEM gaiter for replacement.
> >
> > Here's the question. Is there any reason why, with the driver's side de
> Dion elbow and center tube supported, that I can't just remove the
> passenger side half-shaft, disconnect the linkage, remove the right de Dion
> elbow's four nuts and 12 set bolts, slide the right elbow off, remove the
> defective gaiter, and then just replace the gaiter and reassemble in
> reverse?
> >
> > It would sure save a lot of time over removing the entire de Dion tube.
> Would appreciate any input, especially if anyone has accomplished this in
> such a manner.
> >
> > Thanks in advance, Lance
> >
> >
> >
> > ?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2022 21:38:37 +0000
> From: Lance La Certe <lacpsyd6 at msn.com>
> To: Rovernet <rovernet at rovernet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet] de Dion gaiter replacement question
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> Hey Garrett,
>
> Thanks so much for the quick response. So pleased to hear this is as
> relatively easy as I thought it might be.
>
> I would have thought that you'd request us all to send you copious amounts
> of cayenne to warm your bum in the frozen hinterlands.
>
> Thanks again, Lance
>
>
>
>
>
> ?
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>
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>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Rovernet <rovernet-bounces at rovernet.org> on behalf of garrett
> bourque via Rovernet <rovernet at rovernet.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 2:17 PM
> To: Rovernet <rovernet at rovernet.org>
> Cc: garrett bourque <gbbourque at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet] de Dion gaiter replacement question
>
> Hello Rovernet and Lance,
> You can take the inside portion out of the outside portion of the
> Dedion tube. I have done it. The o ring does not offer much resistance as
> you slide the parts apart from each other.
> If you are feeling creative... Take a measurement of the diameter of
> the tube/ boot. Maybe a hydraulic supply store, or even a plumbing flex
> coupling could be substituted. Writing to you from chilly, hold the
> cayenne, Jefferson, Maine. Good luck! Garrett Bourque
>
> On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 4:10 PM Lance La Certe via Rovernet <
> rovernet at rovernet.org<mailto:rovernet at rovernet.org>> wrote:
> Several years ago I serviced the entire de Dion unit, installing new
> seals, as well as a new, aftermarket gaiter. Unfortunately, even with
> very little mileage, the cheap reproduction has begun to fail (the rubber
> folds are beginning to crack, not due to any extreme mechanical force). I
> recently acquired an excellent, NOS, OEM gaiter for replacement.
>
> Here's the question. Is there any reason why, with the driver's side de
> Dion elbow and center tube supported, that I can't just remove the
> passenger side half-shaft, disconnect the linkage, remove the right de Dion
> elbow's four nuts and 12 set bolts, slide the right elbow off, remove the
> defective gaiter, and then just replace the gaiter and reassemble in
> reverse?
>
> It would sure save a lot of time over removing the entire de Dion tube.
> Would appreciate any input, especially if anyone has accomplished this in
> such a manner.
>
> Thanks in advance, Lance
>
>
>
> ?
>
>
>
>
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> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2022 21:40:35 +0000
> From: Lance La Certe <lacpsyd6 at msn.com>
> To: Rovernet <rovernet at rovernet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet] de Dion gaiter replacement question
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> And even more thanks to Vern for simplifying the process.
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>
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>
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>
> ________________________________
> From: Rovernet <rovernet-bounces at rovernet.org> on behalf of Vern Inkspot
> via Rovernet <rovernet at rovernet.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 2:37 PM
> To: Rovernet <rovernet at rovernet.org>
> Cc: Vern Inkspot <vern at inkspotco.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet] de Dion gaiter replacement question
>
> That?s taking too much apart. All you need to do is unbolt the inner tube
> end from the elbow, no need to remove the half shaft. There is enough
> flexibility in the trailing arm bushes to drop the tube end down far enough
> to slid the new gaiter on. It's a bit of work to get it over the flange,
> but doable.
> Don?t tighten the gaiter clamp until the car is back down on the ground
> and and you've bounced it up and down a few times. Other wise you might end
> up with the boot twisted and it?ll soon tear.
>
> By the way, if your tube is an oil filled one a lot of folks are now
> draining the oil and just greasing the tube on assembly, which is what
> Rover did in the end. Seems to work well by all accounts, and might
> preserve the boot a bit longer.
>
> It also seems to me there should be a hole in the boot somewhere to allow
> air to equalize, but I?m not sure about that. If so, it should be at the
> top.
>
> I?ve left the bit out about supporting the car safely on jackstands etc,
> etc.
>
> If you go to http://www.classicroverforum.net/index.php and search for
> dedion boot you?ll find lengthly how to?s. One by harveyP6 will be most
> informative.
>
> Yours
> Vern
>
> On Jan 21, 2022, at 1:09 PM, Lance La Certe via Rovernet <
> rovernet at rovernet.org<mailto:rovernet at rovernet.org>> wrote:
>
> Several years ago I serviced the entire de Dion unit, installing new
> seals, as well as a new, aftermarket gaiter. Unfortunately, even with
> very little mileage, the cheap reproduction has begun to fail (the rubber
> folds are beginning to crack, not due to any extreme mechanical force). I
> recently acquired an excellent, NOS, OEM gaiter for replacement.
>
> Here's the question. Is there any reason why, with the driver's side de
> Dion elbow and center tube supported, that I can't just remove the
> passenger side half-shaft, disconnect the linkage, remove the right de Dion
> elbow's four nuts and 12 set bolts, slide the right elbow off, remove the
> defective gaiter, and then just replace the gaiter and reassemble in
> reverse?
>
> It would sure save a lot of time over removing the entire de Dion tube.
> Would appreciate any input, especially if anyone has accomplished this in
> such a manner.
>
> Thanks in advance, Lance
>
>
>
> ?
>
>
>
>
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> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2022 21:48:25 +0000
> From: Lance La Certe <lacpsyd6 at msn.com>
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> Subject: [Rovernet] And now.......nuts to you
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> On a completely different thread, I'm trying to find a lug nut socket
> (probably nylon lined) that won't mar/damage my newly chromed lug nuts ('70
> 3500S). With my caliper, my lug nut measures 17.8 mm so I'm assuming I
> need an 18mm socket rather than an SAE.
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> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2022 13:58:10 -0800
> From: Vern Inkspot <vern at inkspotco.com>
> To: Rovernet <rovernet at rovernet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet] And now.......nuts to you
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> I suspect the proper socket will be 3/8 BSW (Whitworth) / 7/16 BS (also
> Whitworth ? it?s complicated). 18 mm should work.
>
> Yours
> Vern
>
> > On Jan 21, 2022, at 1:48 PM, Lance La Certe via Rovernet <
> rovernet at rovernet.org> wrote:
> >
> > On a completely different thread, I'm trying to find a lug nut socket
> (probably nylon lined) that won't mar/damage my newly chromed lug nuts ('70
> 3500S). With my caliper, my lug nut measures 17.8 mm so I'm assuming I
> need an 18mm socket rather than an SAE.
> >
> > Any recommendations/sources?
> >
> >
> >
> > ?
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> >
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