[Rovernet] Rovernet Digest, Vol 106, Issue 7
Robert Ruggeri
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Thu May 19 13:04:33 EDT 2022
Thanks for the ideas. Will have them checked.
Bob
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Steven's words are all good. 1 other possible issue: if the coil has been replaced it may B the wrong type (there are 2 basic types: ballasted and non-ballasted, possibly changed B4 U bought it. The wrong type can melt the rubbing block if U have points. ALSO having the wrong kind of plug wires can cause issues; the wires must B the correct kind for points vs. electronic pickups. If U have points 1 quick check is 2 make sure they're both opening and have the correct gap. I suggest checking the fuel pressure: s.b. about 1.75-2.25 PSI A bad condenser can go out slowly and make diagnosis challenging. This is called an emerging problem.
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Today's Topics:
1. P6 dies after 20 minutes (Robert Ruggeri)
2. Re: P6 dies after 20 minutes (Steven Dibdin)
3. Re: P6 dies after 20 minutes (Tom Rymes)
4. Re: Rovernet Digest, Vol 106, Issue 6 (Kellogg, Charles)
5. Re: P6 dies after 20 minutes (larry williamson)
6. Re: P6 dies after 20 minutes (Gordon Reddy)
7. Re: P6 dies after 20 minutes (Robert Ruggeri)
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Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 16:19:42 +0000
From: Robert Ruggeri <robert.ruggeri.esq at outlook.com<mailto:robert.ruggeri.esq at outlook.com>>
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Subject: [Rovernet] P6 dies after 20 minutes
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Hi All:
New starter is working fine on the 2000TC. Car starts up right away with choke. Holds a nice idle a minute later with no choke. Car idles fine for 20 minutes then dies. Car will not start thereafter (until cold).
Something heating up, like a coil?
Bob
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Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 12:33:01 -0400
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Subject: Re: [Rovernet] P6 dies after 20 minutes
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Check for spark first. If no spark check following:
[1] Feel coil, does it feel too hot to touch? Take off low tension wires
and measure across terminals with ohmmeter. It should read 1.5-3ohms. Full
short and it's dead, infinite ohms and it's also dead.
[2] I've seen ballast resistors fail this way too (work for a while then
die). When car fails to start, measure resistance from wire coming from
distributor to coil via tacho inside car. I believe its white with a black
trace. If you see infinite ohms, ballast resistor is dead. Unfortunately
that's built into the wiring harness inside the dash. Easiest solution is
to run a new wire with an external ballast resistor of still using
conventional ignition.
[3] Have you changed the condenser recently? Modern ones have real problems
with quality control and frequently fail shortly after fitting. You might
want to upgrade to an electronic system such as pertronix, Accuspark or, my
favorite magnatronic
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If you do have a spark, suspect no fuel. I had a problem where ethanol had
attacked the rubber diaphragm inside the fuel pump. It only manifested
itself when the car was warm and started as a small misfire until one day
it died completely. Also check fuel line routing, heat can cause vapour
lock, especially with ethanol based fuels due to their lower boiling point.
Hope the above helps and good luck!
Steven
On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 12:20 PM Robert Ruggeri via Rovernet <
rovernet at rovernet.org<mailto:rovernet at rovernet.org>> wrote:
> *Hi All:*
>
>
>
> *New starter is working fine on the 2000TC. Car starts up right away with
> choke. Holds a nice idle a minute later with no choke. Car idles fine for
> 20 minutes then dies. Car will not start thereafter (until cold).*
>
>
>
> *Something heating up, like a coil?*
>
>
>
> *Bob *
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Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 13:22:11 -0400
From: Tom Rymes <tom at rymes.net<mailto:tom at rymes.net>>
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Subject: Re: [Rovernet] P6 dies after 20 minutes
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Steven has a lot of good advice. I would also open the fuel filler and confirm that it isn?t under vacuum (though I find that quite unlikely).
Tom
> On May 18, 2022, at 12:33 PM, Steven Dibdin via Rovernet <rovernet at rovernet.org<mailto:rovernet at rovernet.org>> wrote:
>
> ?
> Check for spark first. If no spark check following:
>
> [1] Feel coil, does it feel too hot to touch? Take off low tension wires and measure across terminals with ohmmeter. It should read 1.5-3ohms. Full short and it's dead, infinite ohms and it's also dead.
> [2] I've seen ballast resistors fail this way too (work for a while then die). When car fails to start, measure resistance from wire coming from distributor to coil via tacho inside car. I believe its white with a black trace. If you see infinite ohms, ballast resistor is dead. Unfortunately that's built into the wiring harness inside the dash. Easiest solution is to run a new wire with an external ballast resistor of still using conventional ignition.
> [3] Have you changed the condenser recently? Modern ones have real problems with quality control and frequently fail shortly after fitting. You might want to upgrade to an electronic system such as pertronix, Accuspark or, my favorite magnatronic http://autocar-electrical.co.uk/lumenition-range/magnetronic-product-guide<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fautocar-electrical.co.uk%2Flumenition-range%2Fmagnetronic-product-guide&data=05%7C01%7C%7C89e8c2241f334a344d2d08da39b970dc%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637885765901513707%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=uFVRuRtHf2ayw68MnXs7ygRBCUDYMwTC%2BCZV4p11t8k%3D&reserved=0>
>
> If you do have a spark, suspect no fuel. I had a problem where ethanol had attacked the rubber diaphragm inside the fuel pump. It only manifested itself when the car was warm and started as a small misfire until one day it died completely. Also check fuel line routing, heat can cause vapour lock, especially with ethanol based fuels due to their lower boiling point.
>
> Hope the above helps and good luck!
>
> Steven
>
>> On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 12:20 PM Robert Ruggeri via Rovernet <rovernet at rovernet.org<mailto:rovernet at rovernet.org>> wrote:
>> Hi All:
>>
>>
>>
>> New starter is working fine on the 2000TC. Car starts up right away with choke. Holds a nice idle a minute later with no choke. Car idles fine for 20 minutes then dies. Car will not start thereafter (until cold).
>>
>>
>>
>> Something heating up, like a coil?
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob
>>
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Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 11:16:22 -0700
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> 1. rear girling brakes (larry williamson)
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> Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 08:35:19 -0600
> From: larry williamson <lewill4756 at gmail.com<mailto:lewill4756 at gmail.com>>
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> Thanks to Tony and Malcolm. I am about to replace the calipers with new
> ones. The question is this: is it possible to keep the hoses on both
> calipers and fit them on together?. I will be working under a lift this
> time Yay. Larry
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> From: Vern Inkspot <vern at inkspotco.com<mailto:vern at inkspotco.com>>
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> Subject: Re: [Rovernet] rear girling brakes
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> Only if you lower the rear of the diff some by removing the three bolts
> holding the back of the diff to the mounting plate and removing the drive
> shaft. The half shafts can stay attached. You?ll need some sort of support
> so the diff doesn?t hang off the front mount ? a 2x4 cut to length works if
> you?re got it up on a lift.
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> Yours
> Vern
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> > On May 18, 2022, at 7:35 AM, larry williamson via Rovernet <
> rovernet at rovernet.org<mailto:rovernet at rovernet.org>> wrote:
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> > Thanks to Tony and Malcolm. I am about to replace the calipers with new
> ones. The question is this: is it possible to keep the hoses on both
> calipers and fit them on together?. I will be working under a lift this
> time Yay. Larry
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Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 16:59:40 -0600
From: larry williamson <lewill4756 at gmail.com<mailto:lewill4756 at gmail.com>>
To: Rovernet <rovernet at rovernet.org<mailto:rovernet at rovernet.org>>
Subject: Re: [Rovernet] P6 dies after 20 minutes
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I had a P6 that would stall and then after sitting for a few minutes it
would go again for a while. It was the condenser that was the problem . I
change it and all was well. Larry
On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 11:22 AM Tom Rymes via Rovernet <
rovernet at rovernet.org<mailto:rovernet at rovernet.org>> wrote:
> Steven has a lot of good advice. I would also open the fuel filler and
> confirm that it isn?t under vacuum (though I find that quite unlikely).
>
> Tom
>
> On May 18, 2022, at 12:33 PM, Steven Dibdin via Rovernet <
> rovernet at rovernet.org<mailto:rovernet at rovernet.org>> wrote:
>
> ?
> Check for spark first. If no spark check following:
>
> [1] Feel coil, does it feel too hot to touch? Take off low tension wires
> and measure across terminals with ohmmeter. It should read 1.5-3ohms. Full
> short and it's dead, infinite ohms and it's also dead.
> [2] I've seen ballast resistors fail this way too (work for a while then
> die). When car fails to start, measure resistance from wire coming from
> distributor to coil via tacho inside car. I believe its white with a black
> trace. If you see infinite ohms, ballast resistor is dead. Unfortunately
> that's built into the wiring harness inside the dash. Easiest solution is
> to run a new wire with an external ballast resistor of still using
> conventional ignition.
> [3] Have you changed the condenser recently? Modern ones have real
> problems with quality control and frequently fail shortly after fitting.
> You might want to upgrade to an electronic system such as pertronix,
> Accuspark or, my favorite magnatronic
> http://autocar-electrical.co.uk/lumenition-range/magnetronic-product-guide<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fautocar-electrical.co.uk%2Flumenition-range%2Fmagnetronic-product-guide&data=05%7C01%7C%7C89e8c2241f334a344d2d08da39b970dc%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637885765901513707%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=uFVRuRtHf2ayw68MnXs7ygRBCUDYMwTC%2BCZV4p11t8k%3D&reserved=0>
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> If you do have a spark, suspect no fuel. I had a problem where ethanol had
> attacked the rubber diaphragm inside the fuel pump. It only manifested
> itself when the car was warm and started as a small misfire until one day
> it died completely. Also check fuel line routing, heat can cause vapour
> lock, especially with ethanol based fuels due to their lower boiling point.
>
> Hope the above helps and good luck!
>
> Steven
>
> On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 12:20 PM Robert Ruggeri via Rovernet <
> rovernet at rovernet.org<mailto:rovernet at rovernet.org>> wrote:
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>> *Hi All:*
>>
>>
>>
>> *New starter is working fine on the 2000TC. Car starts up right away
>> with choke. Holds a nice idle a minute later with no choke. Car idles
>> fine for 20 minutes then dies. Car will not start thereafter (until cold).*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Something heating up, like a coil?*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Bob *
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Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 17:00:24 -0700
From: Gordon Reddy <gorgowof at gmail.com<mailto:gorgowof at gmail.com>>
To: Rovernet <rovernet at rovernet.org<mailto:rovernet at rovernet.org>>
Subject: Re: [Rovernet] P6 dies after 20 minutes
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I had a problem with the tank breather line. It had somehow stretched and
closed itself off where it travelled through the rear deck to the B pillar.
I doubt that's the problem but if you open the filler cap and hear air
rushing in and/or run the car with the cap open and it is fine then that's
the problem. I tend to agree with the condenser theory.
Cheers,
Gord
On Wed, 18 May 2022 at 16:00, larry williamson via Rovernet <
rovernet at rovernet.org<mailto:rovernet at rovernet.org>> wrote:
> I had a P6 that would stall and then after sitting for a few minutes it
> would go again for a while. It was the condenser that was the problem . I
> change it and all was well. Larry
>
> On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 11:22 AM Tom Rymes via Rovernet <
> rovernet at rovernet.org<mailto:rovernet at rovernet.org>> wrote:
>
>> Steven has a lot of good advice. I would also open the fuel filler and
>> confirm that it isn?t under vacuum (though I find that quite unlikely).
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> On May 18, 2022, at 12:33 PM, Steven Dibdin via Rovernet <
>> rovernet at rovernet.org<mailto:rovernet at rovernet.org>> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> Check for spark first. If no spark check following:
>>
>> [1] Feel coil, does it feel too hot to touch? Take off low tension wires
>> and measure across terminals with ohmmeter. It should read 1.5-3ohms. Full
>> short and it's dead, infinite ohms and it's also dead.
>> [2] I've seen ballast resistors fail this way too (work for a while then
>> die). When car fails to start, measure resistance from wire coming from
>> distributor to coil via tacho inside car. I believe its white with a black
>> trace. If you see infinite ohms, ballast resistor is dead. Unfortunately
>> that's built into the wiring harness inside the dash. Easiest solution is
>> to run a new wire with an external ballast resistor of still using
>> conventional ignition.
>> [3] Have you changed the condenser recently? Modern ones have real
>> problems with quality control and frequently fail shortly after fitting.
>> You might want to upgrade to an electronic system such as pertronix,
>> Accuspark or, my favorite magnatronic
>> http://autocar-electrical.co.uk/lumenition-range/magnetronic-product-guide<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fautocar-electrical.co.uk%2Flumenition-range%2Fmagnetronic-product-guide&data=05%7C01%7C%7C89e8c2241f334a344d2d08da39b970dc%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637885765901513707%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=uFVRuRtHf2ayw68MnXs7ygRBCUDYMwTC%2BCZV4p11t8k%3D&reserved=0>
>>
>> If you do have a spark, suspect no fuel. I had a problem where ethanol
>> had attacked the rubber diaphragm inside the fuel pump. It only manifested
>> itself when the car was warm and started as a small misfire until one day
>> it died completely. Also check fuel line routing, heat can cause vapour
>> lock, especially with ethanol based fuels due to their lower boiling point.
>>
>> Hope the above helps and good luck!
>>
>> Steven
>>
>> On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 12:20 PM Robert Ruggeri via Rovernet <
>> rovernet at rovernet.org<mailto:rovernet at rovernet.org>> wrote:
>>
>>> *Hi All:*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *New starter is working fine on the 2000TC. Car starts up right away
>>> with choke. Holds a nice idle a minute later with no choke. Car idles
>>> fine for 20 minutes then dies. Car will not start thereafter (until cold).*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Something heating up, like a coil?*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Bob *
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Date: Thu, 19 May 2022 01:33:21 +0000
From: Robert Ruggeri <robert.ruggeri.esq at outlook.com<mailto:robert.ruggeri.esq at outlook.com>>
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Subject: Re: [Rovernet] P6 dies after 20 minutes
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As always, many thanks for the good advice. I?ll follow up and let you know at some point.
Bob
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Subject: Re: [Rovernet] P6 dies after 20 minutes
I had a P6 that would stall and then after sitting for a few minutes it would go again for a while. It was the condenser that was the problem . I change it and all was well. Larry
On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 11:22 AM Tom Rymes via Rovernet <rovernet at rovernet.org<mailto:rovernet at rovernet.org><mailto:rovernet at rovernet.org<mailto:rovernet at rovernet.org>>> wrote:
Steven has a lot of good advice. I would also open the fuel filler and confirm that it isn?t under vacuum (though I find that quite unlikely).
Tom
On May 18, 2022, at 12:33 PM, Steven Dibdin via Rovernet <rovernet at rovernet.org<mailto:rovernet at rovernet.org><mailto:rovernet at rovernet.org<mailto:rovernet at rovernet.org>>> wrote:
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Check for spark first. If no spark check following:
[1] Feel coil, does it feel too hot to touch? Take off low tension wires and measure across terminals with ohmmeter. It should read 1.5-3ohms. Full short and it's dead, infinite ohms and it's also dead.
[2] I've seen ballast resistors fail this way too (work for a while then die). When car fails to start, measure resistance from wire coming from distributor to coil via tacho inside car. I believe its white with a black trace. If you see infinite ohms, ballast resistor is dead. Unfortunately that's built into the wiring harness inside the dash. Easiest solution is to run a new wire with an external ballast resistor of still using conventional ignition.
[3] Have you changed the condenser recently? Modern ones have real problems with quality control and frequently fail shortly after fitting. You might want to upgrade to an electronic system such as pertronix, Accuspark or, my favorite magnatronic http://autocar-electrical.co.uk/lumenition-range/magnetronic-product-guide<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fautocar-electrical.co.uk%2Flumenition-range%2Fmagnetronic-product-guide&data=05%7C01%7C%7C89e8c2241f334a344d2d08da39b970dc%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637885765901513707%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=uFVRuRtHf2ayw68MnXs7ygRBCUDYMwTC%2BCZV4p11t8k%3D&reserved=0><https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fautocar-electrical.co.uk%2Flumenition-range%2Fmagnetronic-product-guide&data=05%7C01%7C%7C6a11d810458d48f97c0c08da3922422b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637885116547079868%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=fAePu7rO%2Ff1x%2FG3Ib6D1cBNwJZ6JOdXfx5wvhanto0k%3D&reserved=0<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fautocar-electrical.co.uk%2Flumenition-range%2Fmagnetronic-product-guide&data=05%7C01%7C%7C89e8c2241f334a344d2d08da39b970dc%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637885765901513707%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=uFVRuRtHf2ayw68MnXs7ygRBCUDYMwTC%2BCZV4p11t8k%3D&reserved=0>>
If you do have a spark, suspect no fuel. I had a problem where ethanol had attacked the rubber diaphragm inside the fuel pump. It only manifested itself when the car was warm and started as a small misfire until one day it died completely. Also check fuel line routing, heat can cause vapour lock, especially with ethanol based fuels due to their lower boiling point.
Hope the above helps and good luck!
Steven
On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 12:20 PM Robert Ruggeri via Rovernet <rovernet at rovernet.org<mailto:rovernet at rovernet.org><mailto:rovernet at rovernet.org<mailto:rovernet at rovernet.org>>> wrote:
Hi All:
New starter is working fine on the 2000TC. Car starts up right away with choke. Holds a nice idle a minute later with no choke. Car idles fine for 20 minutes then dies. Car will not start thereafter (until cold).
Something heating up, like a coil?
Bob
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