[Rovernet] Rovernet Digest, Vol 10, Issue 15

Kellogg, Charles charlesk at darebritannia.com
Fri Mar 21 11:14:50 EDT 2014


THANKS. I WAS TRYING TO COMPLY BUT NOT SURE WHAT I HAD TO DO

Charles Kellogg
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> >    1. Re: Rare bits wanted (louatlcf at aol.com)
> >    2. Re: Rare bits wanted (Vern Klukas)
> >    3. Re: Rare bits wanted (louatlcf at aol.com)
> >    4. Re: Rare bits wanted (Kent Kinard)
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 12:38:53 -0400 (EDT)
> > From: louatlcf at aol.com
> > To: rovernet at rovernet.org
> > Subject: Re: [Rovernet] Rare bits wanted
> > Message-ID: <8D111A8D800DC0C-B38-33BE9 at webmail-m222.sysops.aol.com>
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> >
> > Hi:
> >
> > Being at least the third owner of my 1966 Rover 2000TC (suffix A)  I
> don't
> > know if the car came with Rostyles or not, however, I know the hubs can
> > have two different size studs. My car has the larger stud size and is the
> > last model using the Dunlop calipers and the only model that has the 7
> inch
> > Servo used on Girling equipped cars I read this was done only for a few
> of
> > the early cars like mine. The five bolt pattern I measured has a 4.75
> inch
> > bolt circle diameter of 4.75 inch. The spare in the boot is mounted on a
> > Rostyle wheel as well. I know what a Magstar looks like but not the
> Magnum
> > is the Magnum similar to the Rostyle? If they look the same what is the
> > difference? Please educate me.
> >
> >
> > Lou
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Alan Francis <partviking1 at gmail.com>
> > To: Rovernet <rovernet at rovernet.org>
> > Sent: Tue, Mar 18, 2014 11:52 pm
> > Subject: Re: [Rovernet] Rare bits wanted
> >
> >
> > >From personal experience I can testify that Rostyles will not fit a car
> > with Dunlop brakes as there is insufficient room to allow the wheel to
> seat
> > on the hub before hitting the outside caliper pod.
> >
> > Alan Francis (partviking)
> >
> > On Tuesday, March 18, 2014, Vern Klukas <vern at inkspotco.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Lou
> > >
> > > Your car undoubtedly didn't come with Rostyles originally. They quite
> > > possibly were installed by a dealer after the Rostyles became
> available,
> > or
> > > perhaps just later on in the car's life. Are you certain they aren't
> > > actually Magnums? Have you tried putting a steel wheel on?
> > >
> > > The September 1966 service newsletter is the first mention of Magnum
> > > wheels, warning that tires chains cannot be fitted to NADA cars so
> > > equipped. The same month Rover issued special newsletter introducing
> the
> > TC
> > > & Automatic. Magnum wheels are not mentioned, but then wheels period
> > aren't
> > > mentioned.
> > >
> > > I have a late 67 North American sales brochure that lists "Mag-styled"
> > > wheels as an option, as well as the Magstar wheel. Elsewhere they refer
> > to
> > > the wheel as Ro-style. But this is late for your car, which must be an
> A
> > > suffix to be Dunlop braked.
> > >
> > > In the June 1968 newsletter, Rover lists the parts needed to convert a
> > > steel wheeled car to Rostyles, along with the note that only Girling
> > braked
> > > cars can be converted (leading back to my wondering if you don't have
> > > Magnum wheels)
> > >
> > > I have some more material somewhere on the Magnum/Rostyle deal, just
> have
> > > to find it.
> > >
> > > Yours
> > > Vern
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mar 16, 2014, at 4:58 PM, LouatLCF at aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I have a 1966 Rover 2000TC equipped with Dunlop brakes and a single 7
> > > inch servo one of the first imported and I have Rostyle wheels. See
> > > attached Pics. I didn't think there were an earlier version, if so must
> > be
> > > rarer than my car.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Lou
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: scott kohl <sdkgt6 at yahoo.com>
> > > > To: Rovernet <rovernet at rovernet.org>
> > > > Sent: Sun, Mar 16, 2014 12:25 pm
> > > > Subject: Re: [Rovernet] Rare bits wanted
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The story I have, that I have seen recounted on sites from both sides
> > of
> > > the
> > > > Atlantic, is that when the TC came out in late '65, Rover wanted to
> > > offer a
> > > > sporty wheel option for the US cars, but Rostyle did not have a wheel
> > > with the 5
> > > > on 5 pattern, so they made a deal with Magnum in the US to use their
> > > wheels.
> > > > The pattern closest to 5 on 5 was the GM 5 on 4.75, so when a US TC
> was
> > > ordered
> > > > with Magnums, the front and rear hubs were machined just for each
> car.
> > >  This
> > > > changed sometime during 1967 when 5 on 5 Rostyles came on line, it
> > > appears no
> > > > one knows exactly when.  Your '67 will have 5 on 5 hubs.  I have read
> > > posts on
> > > > the Classic Rover Forum from a gentleman in CA who hads an early TC
> > with
> > > the
> > > > Magnums.  He also has a set of Magstars, and has stated that he has
> to
> > > swap the
> > > > hubs to make the wheel change, and he was going to have to make a
> > > decision about
> > > > which to use permanently because he was tired of doing so much work.
> > >  That is
> > > > what makes these hubs so
> > > > damn hard to find, they were on less that a years' worth of cars, and
> > > only cars
> > > > ordered with Magnums.  There is a thread on the Rover site comparing
> > > pictures of
> > > > Magnums and Rostyles in Rover's own sales brochures, and you can see
> > the
> > > gap
> > > > between the wheelnut and center is different.  At least one of the
> > > Magnum fitted
> > > > cars was re-imported to the UK, the chap who brought it in attested
> to
> > > the
> > > > difference.  He said his finger didn't fit inside the nut on the
> > Magnum,
> > > it did
> > > > easily with the Rostyle.  If you're curious I can look up and cite
> the
> > > web
> > > > addresses to the pages discussing this issue.
> > > >
> > > > Scott
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ah... Scott... they're all the same hubs.  On my '67 2000TC, that
> came
> > > with
> > > > Magstar wheels, I've run Rostyles and SD1 wheels.  Having owned this
> > > car, and
> > > > several others, for just short of 44 years I've never seen a
> different
> > > spec hub
> > > > or wheel.  Have another look.
> > > > --------------------------------------------
> > > > On Sun, 3/16/14, gjkzscruggs at verizon.net <gjkzscruggs at verizon.net>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Subject: Re: [Rovernet] Rare bits wanted
> > > > To: rovernet at rovernet.org
> > > > Date: Sunday, March 16, 2014, 10:26 AM
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 10:02:44 -0700
> > From: Vern Klukas <vern at inkspotco.com>
> > To: Rovernet <rovernet at rovernet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rovernet] Rare bits wanted
> > Message-ID: <BB8BADCE-2F11-46B6-97FB-F36510BCE6BC at inkspotco.com>
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> >
> > Bingo! My friend, you have Magnum wheels. They look all but identical to
> > the Rostyles. One last question: is your tachometer & clock in a single
> > housing to the right of the speedo, or is the clock and tach in separate
> > housings, with the tach housing looking a bit pedestrian? If they are
> > separate you do indeed have a very early car.
> >
> > Yours
> > Vern
> >
> >
> > On Mar 19, 2014, at 9:38 AM, louatlcf at aol.com wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Hi:
> > >
> > > Being at least the third owner of my 1966 Rover 2000TC (suffix A)  I
> > don't know if the car came with Rostyles or not, however, I know the hubs
> > can have two different size studs. My car has the larger stud size and is
> > the last model using the Dunlop calipers and the only model that has the
> 7
> > inch Servo used on Girling equipped cars I read this was done only for a
> > few of the early cars like mine. The five bolt pattern I measured has a
> > 4.75 inch bolt circle diameter of 4.75 inch. The spare in the boot is
> > mounted on a Rostyle wheel as well. I know what a Magstar looks like but
> > not the Magnum is the Magnum similar to the Rostyle? If they look the
> same
> > what is the difference? Please educate me.
> > >
> > >
> > > Lou
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Alan Francis <partviking1 at gmail.com>
> > > To: Rovernet <rovernet at rovernet.org>
> > > Sent: Tue, Mar 18, 2014 11:52 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [Rovernet] Rare bits wanted
> > >
> > >
> > > From personal experience I can testify that Rostyles will not fit a car
> > > with Dunlop brakes as there is insufficient room to allow the wheel to
> > seat
> > > on the hub before hitting the outside caliper pod.
> > >
> > > Alan Francis (partviking)
> > >
> > > On Tuesday, March 18, 2014, Vern Klukas <vern at inkspotco.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi Lou
> > >>
> > >> Your car undoubtedly didn't come with Rostyles originally. They quite
> > >> possibly were installed by a dealer after the Rostyles became
> > available, or
> > >> perhaps just later on in the car's life. Are you certain they aren't
> > >> actually Magnums? Have you tried putting a steel wheel on?
> > >>
> > >> The September 1966 service newsletter is the first mention of Magnum
> > >> wheels, warning that tires chains cannot be fitted to NADA cars so
> > >> equipped. The same month Rover issued special newsletter introducing
> > the TC
> > >> & Automatic. Magnum wheels are not mentioned, but then wheels period
> > aren't
> > >> mentioned.
> > >>
> > >> I have a late 67 North American sales brochure that lists "Mag-styled"
> > >> wheels as an option, as well as the Magstar wheel. Elsewhere they
> refer
> > to
> > >> the wheel as Ro-style. But this is late for your car, which must be
> an A
> > >> suffix to be Dunlop braked.
> > >>
> > >> In the June 1968 newsletter, Rover lists the parts needed to convert a
> > >> steel wheeled car to Rostyles, along with the note that only Girling
> > braked
> > >> cars can be converted (leading back to my wondering if you don't have
> > >> Magnum wheels)
> > >>
> > >> I have some more material somewhere on the Magnum/Rostyle deal, just
> > have
> > >> to find it.
> > >>
> > >> Yours
> > >> Vern
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Mar 16, 2014, at 4:58 PM, LouatLCF at aol.com wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> Hi
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> I have a 1966 Rover 2000TC equipped with Dunlop brakes and a single 7
> > >> inch servo one of the first imported and I have Rostyle wheels. See
> > >> attached Pics. I didn't think there were an earlier version, if so
> must
> > be
> > >> rarer than my car.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Lou
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: scott kohl <sdkgt6 at yahoo.com>
> > >>> To: Rovernet <rovernet at rovernet.org>
> > >>> Sent: Sun, Mar 16, 2014 12:25 pm
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Rovernet] Rare bits wanted
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> The story I have, that I have seen recounted on sites from both sides
> > of
> > >> the
> > >>> Atlantic, is that when the TC came out in late '65, Rover wanted to
> > >> offer a
> > >>> sporty wheel option for the US cars, but Rostyle did not have a wheel
> > >> with the 5
> > >>> on 5 pattern, so they made a deal with Magnum in the US to use their
> > >> wheels.
> > >>> The pattern closest to 5 on 5 was the GM 5 on 4.75, so when a US TC
> was
> > >> ordered
> > >>> with Magnums, the front and rear hubs were machined just for each
> car.
> > >> This
> > >>> changed sometime during 1967 when 5 on 5 Rostyles came on line, it
> > >> appears no
> > >>> one knows exactly when.  Your '67 will have 5 on 5 hubs.  I have read
> > >> posts on
> > >>> the Classic Rover Forum from a gentleman in CA who hads an early TC
> > with
> > >> the
> > >>> Magnums.  He also has a set of Magstars, and has stated that he has
> to
> > >> swap the
> > >>> hubs to make the wheel change, and he was going to have to make a
> > >> decision about
> > >>> which to use permanently because he was tired of doing so much work.
> > >> That is
> > >>> what makes these hubs so
> > >>> damn hard to find, they were on less that a years' worth of cars, and
> > >> only cars
> > >>> ordered with Magnums.  There is a thread on the Rover site comparing
> > >> pictures of
> > >>> Magnums and Rostyles in Rover's own sales brochures, and you can see
> > the
> > >> gap
> > >>> between the wheelnut and center is different.  At least one of the
> > >> Magnum fitted
> > >>> cars was re-imported to the UK, the chap who brought it in attested
> to
> > >> the
> > >>> difference.  He said his finger didn't fit inside the nut on the
> > Magnum,
> > >> it did
> > >>> easily with the Rostyle.  If you're curious I can look up and cite
> the
> > >> web
> > >>> addresses to the pages discussing this issue.
> > >>>
> > >>> Scott
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Ah... Scott... they're all the same hubs.  On my '67 2000TC, that
> came
> > >> with
> > >>> Magstar wheels, I've run Rostyles and SD1 wheels.  Having owned this
> > >> car, and
> > >>> several others, for just short of 44 years I've never seen a
> different
> > >> spec hub
> > >>> or wheel.  Have another look.
> > >>> --------------------------------------------
> > >>> On Sun, 3/16/14, gjkzscruggs at verizon.net <gjkzscruggs at verizon.net>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Rovernet] Rare bits wanted
> > >>> To: rovernet at rovernet.org
> > >>> Date: Sunday, March 16, 2014, 10:26 AM
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> > Message: 3
> > Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 13:15:23 -0400 (EDT)
> > From: louatlcf at aol.com
> > To: rovernet at rovernet.org
> > Subject: Re: [Rovernet] Rare bits wanted
> > Message-ID: <8D111ADF2E4C8E0-B10-3569B at webmail-vd016.sysops.aol.com>
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> >
> > Hi:
> >
> > It seems I learn something new about my Rover every day, the clock and
> > Tach are in separate housings! I believe this was the 189 th Rover 2000TC
> > imported per the vehicle chassis number. Tell me more about the Magnun
> > wheels versus the Rostyles are the bolt patterns different?
> >
> >
> > Lou
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Vern Klukas <vern at inkspotco.com>
> > To: Rovernet <rovernet at rovernet.org>
> > Sent: Wed, Mar 19, 2014 10:02 am
> > Subject: Re: [Rovernet] Rare bits wanted
> >
> >
> > Bingo! My friend, you have Magnum wheels. They look all but identical to
> > the
> > Rostyles. One last question: is your tachometer & clock in a single
> > housing to
> > the right of the speedo, or is the clock and tach in separate housings,
> > with the
> > tach housing looking a bit pedestrian? If they are separate you do indeed
> > have a
> > very early car.
> >
> > Yours
> > Vern
> >
> >
> > On Mar 19, 2014, at 9:38 AM, louatlcf at aol.com wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Hi:
> > >
> > > Being at least the third owner of my 1966 Rover 2000TC (suffix A)  I
> > don't
> > know if the car came with Rostyles or not, however, I know the hubs can
> > have two
> > different size studs. My car has the larger stud size and is the last
> model
> > using the Dunlop calipers and the only model that has the 7 inch Servo
> > used on
> > Girling equipped cars I read this was done only for a few of the early
> > cars like
> > mine. The five bolt pattern I measured has a 4.75 inch bolt circle
> > diameter of
> > 4.75 inch. The spare in the boot is mounted on a Rostyle wheel as well. I
> > know
> > what a Magstar looks like but not the Magnum is the Magnum similar to the
> > Rostyle? If they look the same what is the difference? Please educate me.
> > >
> > >
> > > Lou
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Alan Francis <partviking1 at gmail.com>
> > > To: Rovernet <rovernet at rovernet.org>
> > > Sent: Tue, Mar 18, 2014 11:52 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [Rovernet] Rare bits wanted
> > >
> > >
> > > From personal experience I can testify that Rostyles will not fit a car
> > > with Dunlop brakes as there is insufficient room to allow the wheel to
> > seat
> > > on the hub before hitting the outside caliper pod.
> > >
> > > Alan Francis (partviking)
> > >
> > > On Tuesday, March 18, 2014, Vern Klukas <vern at inkspotco.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi Lou
> > >>
> > >> Your car undoubtedly didn't come with Rostyles originally. They quite
> > >> possibly were installed by a dealer after the Rostyles became
> > available, or
> > >> perhaps just later on in the car's life. Are you certain they aren't
> > >> actually Magnums? Have you tried putting a steel wheel on?
> > >>
> > >> The September 1966 service newsletter is the first mention of Magnum
> > >> wheels, warning that tires chains cannot be fitted to NADA cars so
> > >> equipped. The same month Rover issued special newsletter introducing
> > the TC
> > >> & Automatic. Magnum wheels are not mentioned, but then wheels period
> > aren't
> > >> mentioned.
> > >>
> > >> I have a late 67 North American sales brochure that lists "Mag-styled"
> > >> wheels as an option, as well as the Magstar wheel. Elsewhere they
> refer
> > to
> > >> the wheel as Ro-style. But this is late for your car, which must be
> an A
> > >> suffix to be Dunlop braked.
> > >>
> > >> In the June 1968 newsletter, Rover lists the parts needed to convert a
> > >> steel wheeled car to Rostyles, along with the note that only Girling
> > braked
> > >> cars can be converted (leading back to my wondering if you don't have
> > >> Magnum wheels)
> > >>
> > >> I have some more material somewhere on the Magnum/Rostyle deal, just
> > have
> > >> to find it.
> > >>
> > >> Yours
> > >> Vern
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Mar 16, 2014, at 4:58 PM, LouatLCF at aol.com wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> Hi
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> I have a 1966 Rover 2000TC equipped with Dunlop brakes and a single 7
> > >> inch servo one of the first imported and I have Rostyle wheels. See
> > >> attached Pics. I didn't think there were an earlier version, if so
> must
> > be
> > >> rarer than my car.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Lou
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: scott kohl <sdkgt6 at yahoo.com>
> > >>> To: Rovernet <rovernet at rovernet.org>
> > >>> Sent: Sun, Mar 16, 2014 12:25 pm
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Rovernet] Rare bits wanted
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> The story I have, that I have seen recounted on sites from both sides
> > of
> > >> the
> > >>> Atlantic, is that when the TC came out in late '65, Rover wanted to
> > >> offer a
> > >>> sporty wheel option for the US cars, but Rostyle did not have a wheel
> > >> with the 5
> > >>> on 5 pattern, so they made a deal with Magnum in the US to use their
> > >> wheels.
> > >>> The pattern closest to 5 on 5 was the GM 5 on 4.75, so when a US TC
> was
> > >> ordered
> > >>> with Magnums, the front and rear hubs were machined just for each
> car.
> > >> This
> > >>> changed sometime during 1967 when 5 on 5 Rostyles came on line, it
> > >> appears no
> > >>> one knows exactly when.  Your '67 will have 5 on 5 hubs.  I have read
> > >> posts on
> > >>> the Classic Rover Forum from a gentleman in CA who hads an early TC
> > with
> > >> the
> > >>> Magnums.  He also has a set of Magstars, and has stated that he has
> to
> > >> swap the
> > >>> hubs to make the wheel change, and he was going to have to make a
> > >> decision about
> > >>> which to use permanently because he was tired of doing so much work.
> > >> That is
> > >>> what makes these hubs so
> > >>> damn hard to find, they were on less that a years' worth of cars, and
> > >> only cars
> > >>> ordered with Magnums.  There is a thread on the Rover site comparing
> > >> pictures of
> > >>> Magnums and Rostyles in Rover's own sales brochures, and you can see
> > the
> > >> gap
> > >>> between the wheelnut and center is different.  At least one of the
> > >> Magnum fitted
> > >>> cars was re-imported to the UK, the chap who brought it in attested
> to
> > >> the
> > >>> difference.  He said his finger didn't fit inside the nut on the
> > Magnum,
> > >> it did
> > >>> easily with the Rostyle.  If you're curious I can look up and cite
> the
> > >> web
> > >>> addresses to the pages discussing this issue.
> > >>>
> > >>> Scott
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Ah... Scott... they're all the same hubs.  On my '67 2000TC, that
> came
> > >> with
> > >>> Magstar wheels, I've run Rostyles and SD1 wheels.  Having owned this
> > >> car, and
> > >>> several others, for just short of 44 years I've never seen a
> different
> > >> spec hub
> > >>> or wheel.  Have another look.
> > >>> --------------------------------------------
> > >>> On Sun, 3/16/14, gjkzscruggs at verizon.net <gjkzscruggs at verizon.net>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Rovernet] Rare bits wanted
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> > Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 14:26:39 -0500
> > From: Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net>
> > To: Rovernet <rovernet at rovernet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rovernet] Rare bits wanted
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> > Lou,
> > If the wheels and hubs are 4.75, they are not Rostyles, they are Magnum
> > 500.  Easy way to tell the difference:  Rostyles are riveted.  Magnum
> > 500s are welded construction.  If your centers are welded to the rims,
> > they are Magnum 500.  Otherwise, it is difficult to tell the
> > difference.  They look very much alike from the front side.
> > 4.75 inch bolt circle, welded construction, and larger studs mean Magnum
> > 500.  Congratulations.  You have the rare ones.
> >
> > I have a 66 w. Dunlops, single Girling booster(although I do have a
> > Dunlop booster) and later style Tacholmeter installation, but I think it
> > came with Magstars.  It is a rusty hulk, but now I'm going to have to
> > check the bolt circle.  It's been in the back pasture for fifteen years
> > or more.  I like the Dunlop brakes, but setting them up is a special
> skill.
> >
> > Roverly,
> > Kent K.
> >
> > louatlcf at aol.com wrote:
> >   Hi: Being at least the third owner of my 1966 Rover 2000TC (suffix A)
> > I don't know if the car came with Rostyles or not, however, I know the
> > hubs can have two different size studs. My car has the larger stud size
> > and is the last model using the Dunlop calipers and the only model that
> > has the 7 inch Servo used on Girling equipped cars I read this was done
> > only for a few of the early cars like mine. The five bolt pattern I
> > measured has a 4.75 inch bolt circle diameter of 4.75 inch. The spare in
> > the boot is mounted on a Rostyle wheel as well. I know what a Magstar
> > looks like but not the Magnum is the Magnum similar to the Rostyle? If
> > they look the same what is the difference? Please educate me. Lou
> > -----Original Message----- From: Alan Francis <partviking1 at gmail.com>
> > To: Rovernet <rovernet at rovernet.org> Sent: Tue, Mar 18, 2014 11:52 pm
> > Subject: Re: [Rovernet] Rare bits wanted >From personal experience I can
> > testify that Rostyles will not fit a car with Dunlop brakes as there is
> > insufficient room to allow the wheel to seat on the hub before hitting
> > the outside caliper pod. Alan Francis (partviking) On Tuesday, March 18,
> > 2014, Vern Klukas <vern at inkspotco.com> wrote:
> > >> Hi Lou
> > >>
> > >> Your car undoubtedly didn't come with Rostyles originally. They quite
> > >> possibly were installed by a dealer after the Rostyles became
> > available, or
> > >> perhaps just later on in the car's life. Are you certain they aren't
> > >> actually Magnums? Have you tried putting a steel wheel on?
> > >>
> > >> The September 1966 service newsletter is the first mention of Magnum
> > >> wheels, warning that tires chains cannot be fitted to NADA cars so
> > >> equipped. The same month Rover issued special newsletter introducing
> > the TC
> > >> & Automatic. Magnum wheels are not mentioned, but then wheels period
> > aren't
> > >> mentioned.
> > >>
> > >> I have a late 67 North American sales brochure that lists "Mag-styled"
> > >> wheels as an option, as well as the Magstar wheel. Elsewhere they
> refer
> > to
> > >> the wheel as Ro-style. But this is late for your car, which must be
> an A
> > >> suffix to be Dunlop braked.
> > >>
> > >> In the June 1968 newsletter, Rover lists the parts needed to convert a
> > >> steel wheeled car to Rostyles, along with the note that only Girling
> > braked
> > >> cars can be converted (leading back to my wondering if you don't have
> > >> Magnum wheels)
> > >>
> > >> I have some more material somewhere on the Magnum/Rostyle deal, just
> > have
> > >> to find it.
> > >>
> > >> Yours
> > >> Vern
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Mar 16, 2014, at 4:58 PM, LouatLCF at aol.com wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hi
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> I have a 1966 Rover 2000TC equipped with Dunlop brakes and a single 7
> > >> inch servo one of the first imported and I have Rostyle wheels. See
> > >> attached Pics. I didn't think there were an earlier version, if so
> must
> > be
> > >> rarer than my car.
> > >>>
> > >>> Lou
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: scott kohl <sdkgt6 at yahoo.com>
> > >>> To: Rovernet <rovernet at rovernet.org>
> > >>> Sent: Sun, Mar 16, 2014 12:25 pm
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Rovernet] Rare bits wanted
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> The story I have, that I have seen recounted on sites from both sides
> > of
> > >> the
> > >>> Atlantic, is that when the TC came out in late '65, Rover wanted to
> > >> offer a
> > >>> sporty wheel option for the US cars, but Rostyle did not have a wheel
> > >> with the 5
> > >>> on 5 pattern, so they made a deal with Magnum in the US to use their
> > >> wheels.
> > >>> The pattern closest to 5 on 5 was the GM 5 on 4.75, so when a US TC
> was
> > >> ordered
> > >>> with Magnums, the front and rear hubs were machined just for each
> car.
> > >>   This
> > >>> changed sometime during 1967 when 5 on 5 Rostyles came on line, it
> > >> appears no
> > >>> one knows exactly when.  Your '67 will have 5 on 5 hubs.  I have read
> > >> posts on
> > >>> the Classic Rover Forum from a gentleman in CA who hads an early TC
> > with
> > >> the
> > >>> Magnums.  He also has a set of Magstars, and has stated that he has
> to
> > >> swap the
> > >>> hubs to make the wheel change, and he was going to have to make a
> > >> decision about
> > >>> which to use permanently because he was tired of doing so much work.
> > >>   That is
> > >>> what makes these hubs so
> > >>> damn hard to find, they were on less that a years' worth of cars, and
> > >> only cars
> > >>> ordered with Magnums.  There is a thread on the Rover site comparing
> > >> pictures of
> > >>> Magnums and Rostyles in Rover's own sales brochures, and you can see
> > the
> > >> gap
> > >>> between the wheelnut and center is different.  At least one of the
> > >> Magnum fitted
> > >>> cars was re-imported to the UK, the chap who brought it in attested
> to
> > >> the
> > >>> difference.  He said his finger didn't fit inside the nut on the
> > Magnum,
> > >> it did
> > >>> easily with the Rostyle.  If you're curious I can look up and cite
> the
> > >> web
> > >>> addresses to the pages discussing this issue.
> > >>>
> > >>> Scott
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Ah... Scott... they're all the same hubs.  On my '67 2000TC, that
> came
> > >> with
> > >>> Magstar wheels, I've run Rostyles and SD1 wheels.  Having owned this
> > >> car, and
> > >>> several others, for just short of 44 years I've never seen a
> different
> > >> spec hub
> > >>> or wheel.  Have another look.
> > >>> --------------------------------------------
> > >>> On Sun, 3/16/14, gjkzscruggs at verizon.net <gjkzscruggs at verizon.net>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Rovernet] Rare bits wanted
> > >>> To: rovernet at rovernet.org
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