[Rovernet] Rover Owners Yearly Get Together

Gordon Harrower gharrower200 at gmail.com
Wed May 15 22:17:02 EDT 2019


Agreed.  I'd planned to be there for the first time since 2011, but that's
a tough weekend and it's fallen apart.  Very frustrating.  Next year,
hopefully.

On Tue, May 14, 2019, 11:15 AM Dermot Harvey via Rovernet <
rovernet at rovernet.org> wrote:

> What a shame Roveramerica is on Memorial Day weekend!  Old cars don’t
> like   traffic jams!
> Hope to see you folks next year though. Have a great weekend.
>
> Dermot Harvey
>
> > On May 14, 2019, at 10:14 AM, Jim Pile via Rovernet <
> rovernet at rovernet.org> wrote:
> >
> > John,I assume you're referring to RoveAmerica, which meets this year on
> Memorial Day weekend in Fitchburg, MA.You can go to the RoveAmerica website
> and get all the specific info.
> > Good work on getting your P4 back on the road. Feels good, doesn't it?
> I'm close to getting a 3500 done myself.Hope you can make it to the event.
> Unfortunately, that particular weekend is not good for me. Usually, the
> event is held the first weekend in June.
> >     Yours,
> >        Jim Pile
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Davis via Rovernet <rovernet at rovernet.org>
> > To: rovernet at rovernet.org <rovernet at rovernet.org>
> > Cc: John Davis <jdavis at acclimaging.com>
> > Sent: Mon, May 13, 2019 12:49 pm
> > Subject: [Rovernet] Rover Owners Yearly Get Together
> >
> > Hello Everyone,
> >
> > I've finally got my 1958 Rover P4 60 in order and running well.  I'd
> like to plan to attend the yearly event held on the east coast with other
> members.  What are the dates for the 2019 event.  I'd like to put it on my
> calendar.  Many Thanks!
> >
> > John Davis
> >
> > Akron, Ohio
> >
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> >>     1. For Peter Macardle (Kellogg, Charles)
> >>
> >>
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 10:21:11 -0700
> >> From: "Kellogg, Charles" <charlesk at darebritannia.com>
> >> To: rovernet at rovernet.org
> >> Subject: [Rovernet] For Peter Macardle
> >> Message-ID:
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> >>
> >> To whom it may concern:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I am writing this letter to outline my experiences working with The
> British
> >> Northwest Land-Rover Company of Olympia, WA.  My experience with classic
> >> and antique vehicles as both an owner and amateur mechanic spans
> >> approximately 35 years.  My experience with British Northwest covers the
> >> last 17 years and has been quite positive.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> In January 1994 I purchased a 1971 Series IIA Land Rover 88 from British
> >> Northwest Land-Rover Co. (BN) while I was living in Portland, OR.  I
> should
> >> note that I had owned an older but similar vehicle some years earlier
> and
> >> was familiar with the brand and models, though at that time was far
> from an
> >> expert.  From the time of purchase through 1998 when I moved to New York
> >> City, I used the vehicle as my daily commuter, covering approximately
> >> 50,000 miles -- very high mileage for a vehicle of this type and age.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I drove the Rover to BN in Olympia a couple of times each year for
> service
> >> or repairs that were beyond my advanced amateur skill level.  Each
> >> experience was excellent and the repairs were well done.  I should note
> and
> >> will relate the details of  one frustrating service experience during
> this
> >> time.  It involved my Land Rover?s brakes.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> After a year or two I felt there was a minor pulsing of the brakes
> during
> >> stops.  At a service visit I mentioned this and Charles Kellogg of BN
> said
> >> they would look at the problem.  When I picked up the car, he said it
> >> looked like one of the drums might be a bit out of round so they
> cleaned it
> >> up.  This involves a machine that shaves off thin layers of metal from
> the
> >> brake drum to ensure it is perfectly round.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Unfortunately the problem persisted.  I returned the car on two more
> >> occasions as time permitted.  Charles took me seriously, but could not
> find
> >> the problem.  We agreed that it was not dangerous, just annoying.
> Still,
> >> it bothered Mr. Kellogg and he did more investigating.  He called me to
> say
> >> that the after looking at everything, he now was certain the problem was
> >> that a dial caliper (a measuring device) on the machine they use to
> clean
> >> up brake drums had been faulty.  When he thought the drums were
> correctly
> >> adjusted, they weren?t.  He immediately took care of the issue and
> indeed
> >> it was resolved.  I should note that he only charged me for the initial
> >> repair and never for any of the subsequent and ultimately successful
> >> remediative efforts. He always [ CK EDIT: ATTENDED ?] to my concerns
> >> seriously, even when it would have been reasonable to consider my
> >> complaints hyper-sensitivity on my part.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> In mid-1998, on moving to New York I left the vehicle with BN, unsure
> what
> >> the future would hold in terms of vehicle requirements.  I told Charles
> to
> >> go ahead and perform some substantial upgrades, but that I might not
> want
> >> the Rover in NY.  He undertook the work (which was to be quite
> substantial,
> >> amounting to well in excess of $10,000, closer to $15,000 if my memory
> >> serves).  When it became clear I would not need the Rover I suggested he
> >> keep the vehicle and sell it, covering the repair costs and we would
> deal
> >> with any profits if there were any.  As it happened, costs and profits
> more
> >> or less balanced out and for the time being our relationship was
> concluded.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> In 2005 I purchased a 1973 Land Rover off of eBay similar to the one I?d
> >> purchased from BN, though in seriously flawed condition.  My goal was to
> >> undertake a full restoration of the vehicle myself.  The project is now
> >> complete.  I began by speaking to a number of known Land Rover
> >> restoration/service companies in the East.  I received unofficial
> >> quotations ranging from $30,000 to more than $50,000.  With this
> >> information I set my own work budget and began the project.  Over the 4
> >> years I worked on the restoration, sourcing quality parts from the least
> >> expensive suppliers from all over the United States, Canada, and
> Britain,,
> >> I spent approximately $20,000.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> This is notable for two reasons.  First, a basic restoration of a Land
> >> Rover even for an experienced amateur costs many tens of thousands of
> >> dollars and can take years, though I had no other projects outside of
> work
> >> to devote to this singular task.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Second, during the project, I purchased only a few items from BN (a
> >> restored alternator, spark plug wires, spark plugs, points, and
> >> condenser).  Yet when I called from time to time whether seeking parts
> or
> >> advice, Charles Kellogg was always generous with his time and advice
> >> without any expectation of compensation.  When he suggested a strategy
> or
> >> solution he would follow up to determine if it worked or with an
> additional
> >> thought.  For anyone who has ever worked on an historic vehicle,
> especially
> >> a British one, it can seem there is no rhyme or reason to what works
> >> consistently and what does not.  Kellogg?s imagination, persistence and
> >> perfectionism are the difference between a typical restoration project
> and
> >> a successful one ? and I?ve worked on many British and European cars and
> >> motorcycles.  His approach can seem overly detailed, fussy, or even
> >> unnecessary to the uninitiated or those seeking a bargain or a car
> destined
> >> as a status symbol rather than a working vehicle.  But BNs cars run
> >> correctly, are period accurate, and reflect their time and culture of
> >> manufacture.  This is expensive and far from an exact science, but then
> >> classic car restoration is an art.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> My last notable involvement with BN was in 2010.  Charles Kellogg was on
> >> the East coast to attend to a customer issue in my general geographic
> >> area.  He stopped by to say hello and to see how my project was going.
> I
> >> related my progress and an issue I was having (the car would not start
> and
> >> all attempts at troubleshooting failed).  He and the person he was with
> >> went to my work area and spent the next four hours troubleshooting the
> >> problem as well as a few others I had not yet begun to address.  Having
> run
> >> out of time (it was now midnight and I needed sleep), they left.  A day
> >> later he called me without prompting, having related the issue to one of
> >> the mechanics in Olympia.  The mechanic suggested a fix that worked and
> >> like many classic era Land Rover issues it was neither obvious,
> intuitive,
> >> nor something that anyone with less experience would think of.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The challenge of maintaining and operating older British vehicles, and
> Land
> >> Rovers are no exception, is a complex and idiosyncratic one.  Even the
> >> least expensive or simple-seeming task can give rise to endlessly
> >> escalating tasks that require time, money, resources, and knowledge.
> After
> >> 35 years as an old vehicle enthusiast I can attest to this ? old cars
> are
> >> old and niche old cars are challenging no matter what the quality or
> cost
> >> of the work done.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> In my experience, The British Northwest Land-Rover Co. is not
> inexpensive,
> >> not especially quick, nor are any other quality restoration shops.  But
> >> they are relentless trouble shooters, generous with their time and
> >> knowledge, obsessively detail-oriented, and willing to make every
> effort to
> >> equitably address issues, even where those issues are endemic to the
> >> vehicles themselves and not of BN?s own creation.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I recognize that everyone?s experience with any company will be
> different
> >> for better or worse.  But in the emotional and idiosyncratic world of
> old
> >> Land Rovers, where expectations often do not match the real limitations
> of
> >> these old vehicles, and where owner ego and insecurity are a fact if
> life,
> >> for
> >> me BN has been consistently honest, detail and service-oriented, and
> >> generous with time and knowledge.  I?ve worked with just about every
> >> supplier of parts and services for old Land Rovers with more and less
> >> positive outcomes.  I can say unequivocally, I would and will continue
> to
> >> be a customer of The British Northwest Land-Rover Co.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Should you have any questions or require additional information, please
> do
> >> not hesitate to call on me.  E-mail tends to be best.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Jeb Weisman
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Charles Kellogg
> >> Director of Restorations
> >> Dare Britannia, Ltd.
> >> 1043 Kaiser Rd. SW, Unit C
> >> Olympia, WA  98512, USA
> >> http://www.darebritannia.com/
> >>
> >> *Thank you for your enquiry for our parts and services. We offer the
> >> highest-quality spare parts for the vintage Land -Rover. Our staff is
> >> minuscule while the demand for rare and ?unobtainable? parts for early
> >> Land-Rovers is relentless. While your concern is important to us, our
> >> ability to respond to each and every enquiry may be limited and stocks
> of
> >> many items are critically low.. We are primarily a restoration-based
> >> enterprise but when we have a surplus of a given  item, we are able to
> >> offer excess stocks to our dedicated clients. If your need is urgent, we
> >> encourage you to contact us by phone, in person. Leaving a message is
> >> rarely effective, so we recommend direct contact. With many buildings
> full
> >> of parts, it is not always easy to locate obscure items, and the
> process is
> >> often time consuming. We hope you understand. Please
> >> provide complete details of your exact model including year, wheelbase,
> >> which side drive, engine, Country of origin, etc. When giving part
> numbers,
> >> please also state the catalogue number (typically found on the front
> >> cover).  We appreciate your understanding and will do all we can to
> help.*
> >>
> >>
> >> Voice 360-866-2254
> >>
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