[Rovernet] Engine ancestry

Tue Dec 13 19:28:57 EST 2022

Hey Fred, unfortunately, I've not seen or heard of a P4 in the Denver metro area for ages (although I'm sure some must exist).
Ted Ax, of Ax and Allies , http://www.axandallies.com/ would be the man to contact.   He has almost every imaginable British marque come through his shop, and would probably know who, if anyone, has a P4.

Cheers, Lance
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PS

Hello to you Lance....

Looking for a P4 if any can be found that is essentially a turn-key and away you go...

Thanks,

Fred Lemna
Chilliwack

On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 02:54:12 p.m. PST, Lance La Certe via Rovernet <rovernet at rovernet.org> wrote:

Dear Nit Picker,

Anytime there are mistakes, it's important to point them out.   My wife does this all the time😂🤣😃
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On 12/13/22 3:01 PM, Glen R. Wilson via Rovernet wrote:
Update:  Corvair was a Z-body, not a Y-body GM platform.
"The three cars were jointly developed — still very unusual for GM in that era, when each division generally handled its own engineering and manufacturing — and shared a stretched version of the new unitized Y-body shell used by the Corvair. When the new cars debuted in late 1960 for the 1961 model year, they were swiftly nicknamed “Senior Compacts.”

Picking nits. Engine info is fine.

On 12/13/22 2:52 PM, Glen R. Wilson via Rovernet wrote:
On 12/13/22 12:43 PM, Lance La Certe via Rovernet wrote:
Not sure if this was previously posted, but this appears to be a fastidiously researched article.

https://ateupwithmotor.com/model-histories/buick-special-skylark-rover-v8-3800-v6-history/

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"Although it shared a variation of the Corvair body shell, the Special looked nothing like its Chevrolet cousin and was somewhat larger, stretching 8.4 inches (213 mm) longer overall on a 4-inch (101-mm) longer wheelbase."

It seems a "stretch" to say that the Buick Special and the Covair shared a unibody platform when one was rear-engined and the other was front-engined.

I own a 1964 Corvair Monza sedan, and it has to be lower than a Ford GT40. It's also physically smaller than a 1998 Volvo V70 (or any Volvo 850). Not too surprising that while GM marketed the Corvair as a compact family car, people were buying them because they were sporty. That quickly led to the introduction of the Chevy II, a more conventional car. The Corvair remained in production for 10 years.

https://ateupwithmotor.com/contentfiles/uploads/1963_Buick_Skylark_front3q.jpg

There's a '65 Corvair in my town with an Olds 215 mounted in a mid-engine configuration (no back seat, good weight distribution). The Olds version was the one Brabham and Repco used in F1 and is preferred for performance because of the way the cylinder heads bolt to the block in a more robust manner.

Overall, a very good article. I'm just a bit taken aback by the notion that the Corvair was related to these bigger cars despite the fact that they were contemporaries under the GM umbrella.

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