[Rovernet] eBay

Glen Wilson gwilson at quakertech.net
Sun May 29 10:04:21 EDT 2022 

Pierre,

Just to clarify (I know you know this) the 3500S Auto (FED/NADA) and the 
3500S Manual (UK et al) are two different cars.

Re Taylor book, I found from the USA perspective that Taylor was pretty 
much spot on for the models we received here. Can't speak for other 
details and other models. But I know you have held in your hands just 
about every P6 part that was ever manufactured and have all of the parts 
manuals, as well.

Re the car in question, the seller could have avoided all the 
inaccuracies by simply Googling the car or going to Wikipedia, and ought 
to have done if they are in the car selling business. To me the car 
looks like a very well preserved 103,000 mile example and quite original 
except for the Edlebrock carb and intake.

I had an SD1 that came with the Holley 390 cfm carb installed. It was 
brutally powerful but I never could get it to run well at anything 
expect full throttle. I installed one of those Eddlebrock carbs, and the 
thing ran beautifully even before making adjustments, but it was nowhere 
near as thrilling to drive. Many V8 people in the USA were stymied by 
the dual SUs, and if they had 100k on them the throttle shafts would 
have been leaking making them impossible to adjust properly. Went 
through that with several clapped out MGBs that fit my budget when I had 
no understanding at first and no cash to have them rebushed later. Back 
then the downdraft Weber was about $99 including intake manifold, and 
that carb transformed my MGB. No-brainer.

Anyway, very decent P6. Would be nice to see a more accurate 
advertisement and no claim that those were the only original miles. A 
3000-mile car would be worth quite a bit more than a 100k car and be in 
better mechanical shape, most likely.

Glen

On 5/29/22 5:40 AM, pierre janusz via Rovernet wrote:
> If you have got your information from the James Taylor book, then as 
> has often been the case with his works, the information is simply wrong.
>
> (i) The circular instrument were introduced on the 3500S Auto designed 
> for the North American market which was built between 1969 and maybe 
> as late as 1971, so they were not introduced in 1971 but 2 years earlier;
> (ii) The teardrop head restraints were introduced also for the 3500S 
> Auto, so they were not intriduced in 1972;
> (iii) Leather did nit replace Ambla in 1972. The correct information 
> is that the Ambla box pleated seats were introduced also on the 3500S 
> Auto as standard fitment, although youy could pay extra top have the 
> original design of leather seats.
> (iv) So far as cars other than the 3500S Auto, when the 3500S Manual 
> was introduced in late 1971 it was fitted with teh box pleat Ambla 
> seats as per the 3500S Auto, but again with the option of leather seats;
> (v) From late 1973 onwards, at the time that the 2200 was introduced, 
> both the Ambla box pleat seats and the original design leather seats 
> were replaced by a choice of leather box pleat seats or nylon box 
> pleat seats (both with thinner squabs than the original seat design 
> (and to my mind inferior)).
> (vi) I can't speak about the mph/kph speedo issue in New Zealand in 
> 1972, but I am fairly sure that NZ and Australia had converted to 
> metric before then, but in the period when the 3500S Auto was on sale, 
> both the US and Canada were still using miles.
>
> Pierre
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Pellow via Rovernet <rovernet at rovernet.org>
> To: Gordon Reddy via Rovernet <rovernet at rovernet.org>
> CC: Michael Pellow <mp349 at xtra.co.nz>
> Sent: Sat, 28 May 2022 6:55
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet] eBay
>
> my pennyworth
> Wrong air cleaner it wouldn’t fit on original twin SU's carbs  Bonnet
> and grills are pre facelift  70-71: circular instruments introduced in
> 71 : tear-drop headrests introduced in 72 :leather replaced Ambla in 72
> .I have seen box pleated leather  seats on a 73 car here in new Zealand
> the condition of the engine bay is more than likely with over 100K
> miles certainly not a car with only 3000 . The speedos on our cars were
> dual marked Miles/ Kilometres and our 72  had  a Km odometer. These date
> from the James Taylor book and may vary on an American .
>
> Cheers
>
> On 28/05/2022 12:57 pm, Gordon Reddy via Rovernet wrote:
> > Non-Rover people should not be allowed to play with the antenna's
> > either. Twits!!!!!
> >
> > On Fri, 27 May 2022 at 17:43, Glen Wilson via Rovernet
> > <rovernet at rovernet.org <mailto:rovernet at rovernet.org> 
> <mailto:rovernet at rovernet.org <mailto:rovernet at rovernet.org>>> wrote:
> >
> >    On 5/27/22 7:25 PM, pierre janusz via Rovernet wrote:
> >>    Glen,
> >>
> >>    You are absolutely right. Bollocks about the seats being leather
> >>    and crap about the odometer being in kilometres. As I have said
> >>    elsewhere, on what planet is this dealer if he thinks that the UK
> >>    and the US use these crazy unnatural measures of distance inspired
> >>    by the French revolution?
> >
> >    What you said, mon ami!  ;-)
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>    -----Original Message-----
> >>    From: Glen Wilson via Rovernet <rovernet at rovernet.org 
> <mailto:rovernet at rovernet.org>>
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> >>    CC: Glen Wilson <gwilson at quakertech.net 
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> >>    Sent: Fri, 27 May 2022 22:11
> >>    Subject: Re: [Rovernet] eBay
> >>
> >>    On 5/27/22 2:54 PM, Jonathan Present via Rovernet wrote:
> >>> 
> https://vi.raptor.ebaydesc.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemDescV4&item=144571044351&category=6472±=1&ds=0&t=1653674886906&cspheader=1 
> <https://vi.raptor.ebaydesc.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemDescV4&item=144571044351&category=6472&pm=1&ds=0&t=1653674886906&cspheader=1> 
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> <https://vi.raptor.ebaydesc.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemDescV4&item=144571044351&category=6472&pm=1&ds=0&t=1653674886906&cspheader=1>>
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> >>
> >>    3000 miles. I don't think so. The SUs and air cleaner are gone at
> >>    3000 miles? Also, once again listed a 3600S is listed as having
> >>    leather seats when they are Ambla with sagging cushions at 3000
> >>    miles. And it's not a 315 cubic inch engine.
> >>
> >>    Why is it reading in kilometers? Was it imported from Belgium or
> >>    something? I'm pretty sure the Canadian cars still read in miles
> >>    back then.
> >>
> >>    Looks like a nice car, but not 3000 miles.
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